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Jun 18th 2019, 06:27 PM   #31
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
Some states, however, are much more efficient with using their taxes for common good rather than for feeding an army of bureaucrats.

But you will never hear bureaucrats complaining about that, only about insufficient tax rates.
Which states, in you opinion, are much more efficient? And why don't you, for sake of your mental health AND bank account, live there?

By efficient, do you mean actually more efficient? By what measures?
Or by 'efficient' do you mean, more simply, that their spending is closer in line with you world view than here?

Long experience and reading between the lines tells me: If you lived elsewhere, you'd have identical complaint, would find an equally anonymous forum in which to rant, probably not lift a finger to change a thing, because . . . "woe is me, I can't find my tail . . . the powers at be profit by holding me down."
Jun 18th 2019, 06:38 PM   #32
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
A serious question for all of you:

Why do you believe your compilation of quotes (from this thread) is true? From where did you get this education? I know it's not from your direct experience, because VERY few people know their actual tax rates, fewer still have the knowledge to compare those rates to elsewhere. Far fewer yet have enough insight into our governmental units to understand what's efficient and what is not.

Chances are: You 'learned' it from a narrow source, one (or more) with a vested interest in keeping your eye off the real ball, a vested interest in keeping you pissed off at something other than the real problem, a source or sources that get rich (yes truly PROFIT) by keeping you scared, ill-informed and suspicious. PLAYED is the best word to describe what's been done to you.

So . . . who told you these things are true, and why do you believe them? Are you willing to learn why your quotes are not true?

feeding an army of bureaucrats

Don't steal! The Government hates the competition....

A state, same as a county and a city, is a for-profit enterprise.

But there are better ways of taxing, and Washington does it the worst ways

Legislators aren't going to let that kind of revenue slip out of their greedy fingers without a fight.

Regardless of what type of taxes they implement, they will never have enough.

they profit from the broken system.

Edited by FireDave on Jun 18th 2019 at 06:44 PM
Jun 19th 2019, 06:44 PM   #33
 Chrishil54's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
Yea, I'm sure when you wrote 'liberal' you meant republicans. Try not to play stupid . . . it makes you look stupid.

And look it up yourself. That way you'll KNOW, instead of taking some 'crazy liberal's' word for it. A google search would have required fewer keystrokes than you asking the question of me. Which tells me your in it for some form of argumentative gratification, and not actually learning something.

And JFC, does your (and others here) brand of factless paranoia and reflexive cynicism get old fast. You all sound like a bunch of ignorant and grumpy old men, without the wisdom.

Here's a tip: When you complain yet again about taxes, or spew your anti-gov't views, you might as well shout from the rooftops "I'm a boring idiot without creativity or education." Res ipsa loquitur.

Another tip: If people (you agree with) tell you you're having an informed and respectful discussion, ignore them. Then find someone with whom you disagree, ask them the same. If you asked me, I'd tell you to learn more about fiscal policy, the nature of the tax-policy and opposition in other states and countries, travel more than a little bit, then display such wisdom in a manner that would elicit an "I'm glad you brought that up" instead of "JFC, not this ignorant shit again."
Try not to put words in other's mouths, it makes you look uneducated and desperate.

A liberal only equals Democrat (and conservative equals Republican), to those with personal prejudices based on other's words. Maybe that's part of the problem we have in this country. People listen to the loud, fear mongers and echo chambers instead of researching proven facts on all sides before making up their minds.

You were the one that stated there were states with a flat tax (then you went on to disprove that statement), so the proof is on you. That is unless you're projecting...

Since I don't know you from Adam, I'll not bother to suggest that you travel more and learn fiscal policy. Instead, since you suggested it, provide verifiable proof of your own extensive travel and education about "fiscal policy, the nature of the tax-policy and opposition in other states and countries". I'll wait...

You can PM it to me if you don't want it shared publicly. After I verify it, I'll gladly post another comment on this thread that I've verified you've done exactly what you have said to others.
Jun 19th 2019, 07:40 PM   #34
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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Originally Posted by Chrishil54
Try not to put words in other's mouths, it makes you look uneducated and desperate.

A liberal only equals Democrat (and conservative equals Republican), to those with personal prejudices based on other's words. Maybe that's part of the problem we have in this country. People listen to the loud, fear mongers and echo chambers instead of researching proven facts on all sides before making up their minds.

You were the one that stated there were states with a flat tax (then you went on to disprove that statement), so the proof is on you. That is unless you're projecting...

Since I don't know you from Adam, I'll not bother to suggest that you travel more and learn fiscal policy. Instead, since you suggested it, provide verifiable proof of your own extensive travel and education about "fiscal policy, the nature of the tax-policy and opposition in other states and countries". I'll wait...

You can PM it to me if you don't want it shared publicly. After I verify it, I'll gladly post another comment on this thread that I've verified you've done exactly what you have said to others.
Business degree
Econ degree
Among others, studied under a member of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve (Michael Hadjimichalakis)
a future Nobel-winning professor of Econ (Will Sharpe)
Cato Institute Member and author (Charlotte Twight)
Charles Ingene
Karma Hadjimichalakis.
I paid attention for the last 35 years.
20 countries not in North America.

My path is not/was not the only way to having a sense of what's real and what's a batch of repeated lies, but it is one path. Getting lost in the forest of toothless tax-bitching and overtly-uniformed repetition of myths and lies . . . not a path.

Verify? Whatever. I tell you what . . . when you can demonstrate, with some form of logic and counterpoint, that I don't know of what I speak . . . point it out to everyone. Expect a rebuttal. But since you can't, you won't.

Please don't try to refute your demonstrated nature. I wouldn't want you to get a headache from the anomie. So go back to your nearly-unintelligible criticism, psychobabble and snarky ploys. And maybe answer a question from my previous post, if you can.

Edited by FireDave on Jun 19th 2019 at 08:53 PM
Jun 19th 2019, 11:47 PM   #35
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
Yea, I'm sure when you wrote 'liberal' you meant republicans. Try not to play stupid . . . it makes you look stupid.

And look it up yourself. That way you'll KNOW, instead of taking some 'crazy liberal's' word for it. A google search would have required fewer keystrokes than you asking the question of me. Which tells me your in it for some form of argumentative gratification, and not actually learning something.

And JFC, does your (and others here) brand of factless paranoia and reflexive cynicism get old fast. You all sound like a bunch of ignorant and grumpy old men, without the wisdom.

Here's a tip: When you complain yet again about taxes, or spew your anti-gov't views, you might as well shout from the rooftops "I'm a boring idiot without creativity or education." Res ipsa loquitur.

Another tip: If people (you agree with) tell you you're having an informed and respectful discussion, ignore them. Then find someone with whom you disagree, ask them the same. If you asked me, I'd tell you to learn more about fiscal policy, the nature of the tax-policy and opposition in other states and countries, travel more than a little bit, then display such wisdom in a manner that would elicit an "I'm glad you brought that up" instead of "JFC, not this ignorant shit again."
Amazing lack of self-awareness. There must be special training for that, it cannot come naturally.
Jun 19th 2019, 11:49 PM   #36
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
Which states, in you opinion, are much more efficient? And why don't you, for sake of your mental health AND bank account, live there?

By efficient, do you mean actually more efficient? By what measures?
Or by 'efficient' do you mean, more simply, that their spending is closer in line with you world view than here?

Long experience and reading between the lines tells me: If you lived elsewhere, you'd have identical complaint, would find an equally anonymous forum in which to rant, probably not lift a finger to change a thing, because . . . "woe is me, I can't find my tail . . . the powers at be profit by holding me down."
Promise me that you will actually listen and employ all your congitive abilities to understand, and I will explain it to you.
Jun 20th 2019, 12:07 AM   #37
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
But we can start here:

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Jun 21st 2019, 03:50 PM   #38
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
But we can start here:

Seriously?

This article's hatchet job is you ode to gov't inefficiency? Please tell me you read more that one source before you came to a conclusion. the bulk of your article is false, lying, innuendo when it suits the author. And cherry-picking stats, posting only those which makes his eyman-esque point, omitting those that reduce or negate his point.

An incalculable benefit is: How many cars off the road? How many man-hours saved by those driving the highways? Can you think of other benefits that are part of your article's outrage?

Shit's expensive, large construction projects, particularly infrastructure projects, seldom get done for the originally budgeted amount. That's the nature of low-bid gov't contracts. What a surprise.

Now . . . tell me we don't need it. I'll tell you why we do, and why its a bargain at twice the price.

Here's one quote, from ONE article, regarding Sound Transit's existence. There are far more than this available to anyone interested in the TRUTH, instead of seeking only that which justifies another injection for your anger-addiction.

This article isn't exactly complimentary of Sound Transit, but it lacks the sensationalism of yours, and is willing to mention successes and failures:

https://www.seattlebusinessmag.com/a...-are-so-costly

"And the agency’s operating costs are not out of line when compared to other metropolitan transit systems around the country. Even in terms of capital costs, some of its services are performing well. The Sounder south route from Seattle to Tacoma, for example, has been popular, resulting in a cost per average weekday rider of about $55,000 for putting the train in service. That’s relatively cheap compared to the $135,000 per rider that the Minneapolis-St. Paul transit system paid for its new commuter line. Still, there’s been a disturbing tendency throughout Sound Transit’s history to spend freely and raise eybrows."
Jun 21st 2019, 04:13 PM   #39
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
Seriously?

This article's hatchet job is you ode to gov't inefficiency?
Can you dispute the numbers of cost per mile? Go ahead, I'll wait.
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