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Jul 6th 2016, 01:10 PM   #16
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon

  2017 Kaw Ninja 1000 ABS (Z1000SX)
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Originally Posted by ShootPDX
Awesome....Honda built a Ducati once...it sold poorly...remember the venerable RC51...the Ducati knockoff of the early 2000s...
Actually, that would've been the VTR 1000 Superhawk. Still a highly regarded bike...even though you could only get 100 mi from a tank...
Jul 6th 2016, 01:25 PM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  bellingham

  R and Pikes Peak
True be told ducati has come a long way. I've never had any issues with my panigales, most that I have seen that needed parts got them quickly. It's not like it used to be at all. The panigales I've had never missed a beat
Jul 6th 2016, 02:48 PM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Buckley

Quote:
Originally Posted by WheelSpin
That's good to hear. the 1299 is a step up, for sure, but I can't foot that much coin right now. Maybe in a couple yrs, though. The 1199S seems to be a "close 2nd" to the 1299 (albeit the latter has some chassis geometry improvements).

I'm thinking about possibly selling my shifter kart simply because I don't have enough time to get to the track anymore, & 2 wheels is calling back to me again. I can get some riding time in easier than I can get to the track (Tough decision, because I love driving that thing). So, I'm looking. I like the new R1, but the Admiral Ackbar look on the front fairing isn't doing it for me, though the bike does look better in person. Maybe they'll fix it in a couple of yrs. Meanwhile, the Panigale series has always drawn me in. I just want to avoid a lemon situation. Given the Ducati factory's relatively smaller size/network to the Japanese factories, is parts supply & tech service/support a potential long-term challenge?

The experiences you guys are reporting all sound positive. Definitely a good thing to hear. It stirs me blood, 'n stuff.
The factory can be a bitch sometimes (and lead times) on the forum I pointed you to they made a guy buy the pistons instead of just the ring as an example on his 1098.

But I tell you the forum is where you will get all the support you need for long term myself and others have shipped items free of charge to other members.

I've also had good experience with a couple of the dealers locally, but I would recommend you turn your own wrench if you can.
Jul 6th 2016, 02:48 PM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
You may not know this op, but your fate is already sealed. You are not going to buy an 1199S.

Can't tell you how many of these threads I have read over the years. Often times it gets cloudy as to what, exactly, is being asked.

Does he want to know if they (in this case "they" being a Ducati specifically a Panigale of the 1199S variety) are worth the money? The heartache? The pain/suffering?

Or does he want to know if obtaining spare parts/service in the long term will be more difficult than a major Japanese brand due to the fact Ducati is so much smaller?

Or does he want to know something else? Or perhaps its all a ruse. Maybe he doesn't want to know anything and its fun to watch both sides of the coin go at it head to head ie team italia vs jdm fanbois.



I'm all about the bottom line. I'm fairly certain the question here is... "Should I buy a Ducati Panigale 1199S?"

In a word, no.



Some other questions that might arise.



"Will the content of this thread have any impact on whether or not the op buys an 1199S?"

No. The outcome was decided long ago. Well before this thread ever existed.



"Ok we know the op shouldn't buy an 1199S. But will he buy one?"

No. See above.


Here is the deal. Any late model Ducati (especially a Panigale) is an expensive, fragile toy. They are wicked fun to play with as an expensive toy should be. Wicked fun expensive toys break. Wicked fun expensive toys cost a lot to repair and maintain. Wicked fun expensive toys sit around longer than less expensive and less fun toys when they need certain components.

Would you expect anything different from a vehicle manufacturer under the parent company of Audi/Lamborghini with VW in the "Wizard Behind Green Curtain" roll?

If you actually want to know the delta difference in all aspects of the cost of ownership between a Honda and a Ducati... try this. Go to the Honda dealer and ask. Go to the Ducati dealer and ask. The answers will be vastly different with the truth being in the middle.


All of that is moot however since the op isn't buying one. Hopefully that is not taken as an indictment or some sort of judgement. As if to say the op lacks the stones or the dosh or the whatever to own one. Its not that at all. In my experience, anyone asking these sorts of questions has far too much sense and self control to ever do something as ridiculous as owning a late model Italian Superbike. By having these sensibilities you are rewarded by never having to suffer the massive depreciation, staggering maintenance costs, reliability frustrations, etc, etc, that come along with the brand. You should be stoked!

I will add in closing that I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Although I have never seen one of these threads end with the op actually pulling the trigger... surely there is a 1st for everything.
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Jul 6th 2016, 02:49 PM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  Buckley

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Originally Posted by motoman
Actually, that would've been the VTR 1000 Superhawk. Still a highly regarded bike...even though you could only get 100 mi from a tank...
Doesn't that make it a Ducati?
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Jul 6th 2016, 02:51 PM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Buckley

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
You may not know this op, but your fate is already sealed. You are not going to buy an 1199S.

Can't tell you how many of these threads I have read over the years. Often times it gets cloudy as to what, exactly, is being asked.

Does he want to know if they (in this case "they" being a Ducati specifically a Panigale of the 1199S variety) are worth the money? The heartache? The pain/suffering?

Or does he want to know if obtaining spare parts/service in the long term will be more difficult than a major Japanese brand due to the fact Ducati is so much smaller?

Or does he want to know something else? Or perhaps its all a ruse. Maybe he doesn't want to know anything and its fun to watch both sides of the coin go at it head to head ie team italia vs jdm fanbois.



I'm all about the bottom line. I'm fairly certain the question here is... "Should I buy a Ducati Panigale 1199S?"

In a word, no.



Some other questions that might arise.



"Will the content of this thread have any impact on whether or not the op buys an 1199S?"

No. The outcome was decided long ago. Well before this thread ever existed.



"Ok we know the op shouldn't buy an 1199S. But will he buy one?"

No. See above.


Here is the deal. Any late model Ducati (especially a Panigale) is an expensive, fragile toy. They are wicked fun to play with as an expensive toy should be. Wicked fun expensive toys break. Wicked fun expensive toys cost a lot to repair and maintain. Wicked fun expensive toys sit around longer than less expensive and less fun toys when they need certain components.

Would you expect anything different from a vehicle manufacturer under the parent company of Audi/Lamborghini with VW in the "Wizard Behind Green Curtain" roll?

If you actually want to know the delta difference in all aspects of the cost of ownership between a Honda and a Ducati... try this. Go to the Honda dealer and ask. Go to the Ducati dealer and ask. The answers will be vastly different with the truth being in the middle.


All of that is moot however since the op isn't buying one. Hopefully that is not taken as an indictment or some sort of judgement. As if to say the op lacks the stones or the dosh or the whatever to own one. Its not that at all. In my experience, anyone asking these sorts of questions has far too much sense and self control to ever do something as ridiculous as owning a late model Italian Superbike. By having these sensibilities you are rewarded by never having to suffer the massive depreciation, staggering maintenance costs, reliability frustrations, etc, etc, that come along with the brand. You should be stoked!

I will add in closing that I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Although I have never seen one of these threads end with the op actually pulling the trigger... surely there is a 1st for everything.
A lot of truth, I always wanted a Ducati and once I could I just went out and bought one didn't ask anyone anything...

*** but I am about to roll 40k miles on my 2012 that I bought off the floor

Edited by tchase on Jul 6th 2016 at 02:53 PM
Jul 6th 2016, 04:07 PM   #22
 
  Jan 2016
  Woodinville

Actually The RC51 was known as the Ducati killer it was built by Honda because Ducati was winning everything in super bike, Honda decided to beat them at their own game and did so, just ask Colin Edwards. Nicky Hayden
Jul 6th 2016, 06:51 PM   #23
 
  Jun 2016
  Portland, OR

  2008 Bimota DB5R 1985 Triumph T100SCH
When I saw a Bimota DB5R for sale I did not ask anyone anything. I bought it and never looked back. It is not about logic, but passion!
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Jul 6th 2016, 06:58 PM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  teh rock

  K1200RS SV650
I got a K12RS because teh sexy.
Still running. <shrug>
Jul 7th 2016, 07:02 AM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Buckley

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Originally Posted by SpikeC
When I saw a Bimota DB5R for sale I did not ask anyone anything. I bought it and never looked back. It is not about logic, but passion!

/thread over!
Jul 7th 2016, 07:59 AM   #26
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
I've always wanted a Ducati and one time while I was drooling on one my ex-wife asked me "just how long are you going to wait?" I bought mine the next weekend and rode it home. You can wait for your entire life and not do what you really WANT to do or you can just do it.
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Jul 7th 2016, 09:03 AM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpikeC
When I saw a Bimota DB5R for sale I did not ask anyone anything. I bought it and never looked back. It is not about logic, but passion!
I did the same thing with my Yamaha TW200!

My first bike was Italian. 45 years ago. Have not had another one since and have owned 80+ bikes. Enough said.
Jul 7th 2016, 03:49 PM   #28
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
i actually owned an RC51 and it was a frigging beast. it was hot and heavy. side radiators are a lame idea. it sounded cool though, which was its main feature. now I am riding a 20 year old cbr900rr and I can say I like it better. you can get ear-to-ear grins on a $4,000.00 used bike. that is just a truth. you don't need to spend 20K for a fun/beautiful bike. but if you want a Duc and can afford it - why are you asking others to bless your want? buy it, take some pictures, and share them with us. you will like it. how could you not? or you could buy any one of a million bikes on CL and get the same feeling. its like chicks - you buy-in and take your chances. there's really not that much difference between them, when you get right down to it. same basic design with minor ergonomic and power plant differences. mostly its just which personalities you can live with.
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Jul 7th 2016, 04:06 PM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
i actually owned an RC51 and it was a frigging beast. it was hot and heavy. side radiators are a lame idea. it sounded cool though, which was its main feature. now I am riding a 20 year old cbr900rr and I can say I like it better. you can get ear-to-ear grins on a $4,000.00 used bike. that is just a truth. you don't need to spend 20K for a fun/beautiful bike. but if you want a Duc and can afford it - why are you asking others to bless your want? buy it, take some pictures, and share them with us. you will like it. how could you not? or you could buy any one of a million bikes on CL and get the same feeling. its like chicks - you buy-in and take your chances. there's really not that much difference between them, when you get right down to it. same basic design with minor ergonomic and power plant differences. mostly its just which personalities you can live with.
Yep, as my brother told me, if it's got tits or tires you're gonna have trouble.
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Jul 7th 2016, 05:01 PM   #30
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
There is a beautiful red VFR on Craigslist right now with like five thousand miles for less than $4,000. It looks like a really beautiful bike. if I didn't have two bikes in the garage already I'd have bought it . My recommendation to the original poster would be to go by that VFR and ride the wheels off of that and think long and hard about the 12 or $15,000 he saved off of that Ducati.

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