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Feb 17th 2018, 12:25 PM   #16
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what am i missing? what makes this important enough for state legislators to do business on it?

is it just revenue and the idea of maximizing the take on parking tickets?

SB 6070 - 2017-18
Establishing permissible methods of parking a motorcycle.

as to the fee for electric bikes ( i have an electric car and the registration bill is on my desk right now, extra $150.00 for the privilege of not fucking up the air) i say THIS:

the thing they ignore with these electric vehicle fees that are supposed to be a way to get EV's to pony up for road use, is that EV's, not hybrids but straight battery-only vehicles, drive FAR FEWER MILES per year than gasoline cars because of their limited range and the duration of the charge cycle. EV's use the roads dramatically less than gasoline cars and trucks. that, and the fact that every owner of an EV has a regular car as well in case they want to do more than drive to the grocery store or work, so the road usage fee via gasoline tax is still paid in full.

so the whole argument is false.
On parking, there are local municipalities that ticket bikes for stacking in spaces and backing in. The push back originally was from areas which did not want state interference, whether because of concerns on management of paid parking or possibly revenue based.

For your electric motorcycle, the underlying legislation did not make cutoff, but by tying back to the budget we may still get fiscal relief for this year. (Lots of legislative wonk stuff if you're curious) The mileage basis was skewed in '14, which is what 6107 is looking at.

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Feb 17th 2018, 11:09 PM   #17
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On parking, there are local municipalities that ticket bikes for stacking in spaces and backing in
Please excuse my inquiry, I'm not from Washington. I am curious about this. Why would any municipality be concerned if a motorcycle backed into a space? I can understand why they may object to multiple bikes in a single space. Don't agree but can see the revenue argument. What possible safety, crowding, or other reason would justify a violation for backing in? Maybe I have misunderstood the phrasing?

Edited by 307T on Feb 18th 2018 at 07:48 AM
Feb 18th 2018, 05:55 AM   #18
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Why would any municipality be concerned if a motorcycle backed into a space?
Because state law does not currently allow it.
Feb 18th 2018, 07:09 AM   #19
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Because state law does not currently allow it.
Yeah, I get that it is not allowed, but what is the logic behind that part of the law? Are cars not allowed to back into spaces too? If that is the case I could maybe, maybe, see the justification in that some dimwit might have figured that drivers cannot use their mirrors or turn their heads. Even that kind of rationalization reeks of some government employee making a law just to show that s/he can.
Feb 18th 2018, 08:13 AM   #20
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On parking, there are local municipalities that ticket bikes for stacking in spaces and backing in.
Can we get a sticky thread for things like this? When you find yourself in an area hostile to motorcycles, add the name of the town or county in a post and describe what happened. The owner of the thread can -- if he/she decides it qualifies and isn't just a one-off or a member having a bad day -- add the name of the place to the top post with a link to the detailed comment.
Feb 18th 2018, 08:41 AM   #21
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Yeah, I get that it is not allowed, but what is the logic behind that part of the law? Are cars not allowed to back into spaces too? If that is the case I could maybe, maybe, see the justification in that some dimwit might have figured that drivers cannot use their mirrors or turn their heads. Even that kind of rationalization reeks of some government employee making a law just to show that s/he can.
The rules of the road (RCW 46.61) are normally generic towards all passenger vehicles, a group of which motorcycles are a part, unless there are compelling reasons to differentiate. When the disparities are identified the advocates are compelled to identify them, identify the fix, and promote the legislative or administrative fix. (That translates to groups like ABATE of WA, the WRRA, and the AMA, AKA Motorcycle Rights Organizations.)

Here is the current text of SB 6070. The underlined language is the proposed insertions/changes, and the strike through indicates (no kidding) the deletions.

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Can we get a sticky thread for things like this? When you find yourself in an area hostile to motorcycles, add the name of the town or county in a post and describe what happened. The owner of the thread can -- if he/she decides it qualifies and isn't just a one-off or a member having a bad day -- add the name of the place to the top post with a link to the detailed comment.
Your wish is my command.

Right now I've just stuck this thread, but if the bill doesn't pass I will generate a new thread and stick it. ("He said stick it." )
Feb 18th 2018, 09:04 AM   #22
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Your wish is my command.

Right now I've just stuck this thread, but if the bill doesn't pass I will generate a new thread and stick it. ("He said stick it." )
Cool. Though ideally we could have a one-stop-shopping thread for the whole PNW, with a single curated top-post with the places people had bad experiences in. So when you're setting out on a long ride you only have to look in one spot for places to skirt or at least not stop in.

(I'd also like to see a sticky for good places to stop for lunch out in the remote areas where all the great riding is, but that's a different topic. )
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Feb 18th 2018, 09:46 AM   #23
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If the bill passes it will be a moot point by 6 June.
Feb 18th 2018, 01:37 PM   #24
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Lots of rules and most are sensible but, again, what could possibly be the justification for not allowing a vehicle to back into a marked parking space?

Side note: At one time I drove fire trucks. In normal travel (as opposed to apparatus placement on an emergency call) we were taught "back on arrival" meaning leave the apparatus placed so that we could leave quickly if we had to.
Feb 18th 2018, 01:57 PM   #25
 
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Lots of rules and most are sensible but, again, what could possibly be the justification for not allowing a vehicle to back into a marked parking space?

Side note: At one time I drove fire trucks. In normal travel (as opposed to apparatus placement on an emergency call) we were taught "back on arrival" meaning leave the apparatus placed so that we could leave quickly if we had to.
I don't believe it is the backing into a parking stall type of parking they are ticketing. It is the backing the rear wheel of a motorcycle to the curb in a parallel parking situation where they want the wheels parallel to the curb.

RCW 46.61.757

(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section, every vehicle stopped or parked upon a two-way roadway shall be so stopped or parked with the right-hand wheels parallel to and within twelve inches of the right-hand curb or as close as practicable to the right edge of the right-hand shoulder.
(2) Except when otherwise provided by local ordinance, every vehicle stopped or parked upon a one-way roadway shall be so stopped or parked parallel to the curb or edge of the roadway, in the direction of authorized traffic movement, with its right-hand wheels within twelve inches of the right-hand curb or as close as practicable to the right edge of the right-hand shoulder, or with its left-hand wheels within twelve inches of the left-hand curb or as close as practicable to the left edge of the left-hand shoulder.

Though technically this says "right-hand wheels" and I don't know of many motorcycles with a right-hand wheel.

Edited by Ryanthegreat1 on Feb 18th 2018 at 02:00 PM
Feb 18th 2018, 02:09 PM   #26
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OK, that makes sense now. Don't agree with it but I understand the application. Thanks Ryan.
Feb 19th 2018, 09:13 AM   #27
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When the disparities are identified the advocates are compelled to identify them, identify the fix, and promote the legislative or administrative fix. (That translates to groups like ABATE of WA, the WRRA, and the AMA, AKA Motorcycle Rights Organizations.)
And if dirt is involved, the Northwest Motorcycle Association will be leading the way.
Feb 20th 2018, 03:49 AM   #28
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And if dirt is involved, the Northwest Motorcycle Association will be leading the way.
Darn tootin', and my most abject apologies for leaving y'all out of that list.
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Feb 20th 2018, 05:58 AM   #29
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Darn tootin', and my most abject apologies for leaving y'all out of that list.
No worries.

When it comes to pavement we typically defer to you guys and play a support role when applicable.

Northwest Motorcycle Association
Feb 20th 2018, 06:03 AM   #30
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Darn tootin', and my most abject apologies for leaving y'all out of that list.
No worries.

When it comes to pavement we typically defer to you guys and play a support role when applicable.

Northwest Motorcycle Association
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