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May 7th 2019, 04:07 PM   #16
 Chrishil54's Avatar
  Jan 2016

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
The best sounding bike is the one you're riding at the time...
May 7th 2019, 09:06 PM   #17
 Suzuki Stevo's Avatar
  Jan 2016
  Seattle ,Wa

  Burgman 400, TW200, Boulevard M50, 2018 Indian Scout 1131, 2018 Indian Chieftain Classic
Too cylinders are all you need...

You Spacemen go back to yer planet!
May 7th 2019, 10:40 PM   #18
 Parilla125's Avatar
  Jan 2016

Originally Posted by Suzuki Stevo
Too cylinders are all you need...

You Spacemen go back to yer planet!
You must mean the Honda 50cc twin! It had 'two' cylinders 'too'. See what I did there?
May 7th 2019, 10:45 PM   #19
 Parilla125's Avatar
  Jan 2016

Don't remember if it was on the video as it has been a while since I watched it, but the RC149 was one of the most insane sounding motorcycles ever built. 125cc and 5 cylinders. Awesome. That and any of the 3 and 4 cylinder two strokes. Well, and all the rest of them. I like 'em all!
May 7th 2019, 11:46 PM   #20
  Sep 2017
  Tigard, Oregon

  '15 Tiger 800XCx,07 Daytona 675,01 CBR929RR,05 YZ125,'13 KLX 250, 89 RM 250, '19 Scrambler 1200
I try to be as optimistic as possible.

I've got a C6 generation ZR1 which I'm sure we can all agree is the absolute zenith of "bring a hammer' style engineering, but I plan to lease an electric for our business instead of the large diesel truck I just lost my Wife of 27 years in that had been our previous business vehicle.

I see certain motorcycle companies invest in electrics and I have given these companies my money as well as my thoughts. As long as they are responsive to our needs as motorcyclists I say bring on the things. I grew up on the smell of Premix in the Cali desert of the '70s that you see in "On Any Sunday" and I don't care how it's done, the race is the thing. it will happen and as I said to one of these manufacturers- I choose to look at it like the early days of ANY motoring endeavor- fraught with danger, but also great challenges and rewards. Look at the frail things we called motorcycles circa say 1905 or so. The damned lights blew out at night due to BREEZE....enter LUCAS the Dark Prince.....problem solved (or so they thought).

I was at the Motorcycle Awareness Rally in Salem the other day and one of the fellows there stated that motorcycling was dying in Oregon. He was in his leathers bemoaning the lack of people there. I can tell him WHY that is....our generation and the one before us BORE the kids half to death with the "scene". Imagine this: out of all the motorcycles in Oregon you'd think that more would show up other than'd be wrong. Endless V Twins, guys in their 60's or 70's stalking around in hundreds of dead cows worth of black leather listening to Mick and Company sing about satisfaction through scratchy old speakers. Then maybe some Aerosmith for the kiddos. Having to piss in a porta-can because Oregon is too cheap to actually let anyone have access to the Capitol except when they impromptu camp on weekends. So boring even I,Triumph Guy the Euro-Trash boogied on down to the gravel road to Valdez solo rather than hang out.
The only other rider I saw that wasn't on a Harley-type bike was on a CBR1000 that had had it's silencer cut diagonally with a hacksaw rendering it ear-rapingly loud which also got said Harley guy bemoaning the fate of Oregon's motorcyclists to bitch. Kinda ironic I thought.

Whatever, just like I told my now-grown's your mess now. They don't want to have to march to the same orders or to the same beat as me and for them, that's cool. My Son works in motorcycling at 19 and his best friend rides too so I'd say the guy at the Rally is not seeing Oregon's motorcyclists maybe, not that they don't exist.
But I think these young Men and Women are feeling marginalized, a good deal of it from the "established" organizations which quite frankly appear like AARP for bikers and don't project what these young people think and value. My Son goes to a place he refers to as "Mexico", I like to think a young Zora Arkus-Duntov would have liked this "Mexico", a place where young people congregate and bring their cars, their bikes, and yes, their lives (which some lose foolishly) and they do the things that THEY find value in, not necessarily the things we taught them. He's been going since he got his license at 16, not every week but often enough, and he keeps his nose clean and out of trouble. For this I pay him the dubious honor of insuring him into every single vehicle I own (13 at last count, including the Z and 7 bikes) and getting him ready to go to School with his Bestie at OSU while he schleps gear off the back of a truck to cheap types (you know who you are).
These kids don't see motorcycles in the same way we do, they see them as viable transportation, especially in the Metropolitan areas where space is at a premium, the ability to filter during traffic and fuel and insurance savings make them more attractive as well and I'm sure alternative fueling/e-cycle would not hurt either. They just can't afford anything which is why you never see them on anything other than a JSM or a college kid's bike like an XR650 or big DR. Which makes the idea of one of them purchasing something as hipsterlike as my latest conquest, a Scrambler 1200 XE, laughable. But as I'm pretty sure Triumph is one of the Companies developing a brand of E-Bike actively I'm certain the money will go to good use along that path anyways.

My late Wife was the one who pushed me into giving my Son his Fireblade for Christmas of his seventeenth year, I thought she was mad. But she recognized a look in him when he heard it running that was pure lust, I'm sure it's why she told me to give it to him and get my Daytona I wanted instead for myself. Funny I hadn't thought of it until the title of this prompted me to think of it and then Transported and 307t's repartee above got me to being nostalgic myself.

My point was simply: Parkes was right, racing is life. All else is just waiting I guess.
It really doesn't matter the form, some goon from here is going to want to race that goon from over there. And maybe get just a couple of dank whoolies in before the Fisherpeople show up and screw it all up for everyone. Then again, that WAS part of the fun of OLD PDX wasn't it?
May 8th 2019, 06:10 PM   #21
 Parilla125's Avatar
  Jan 2016

When I was a kid and now, it is the same. The 'old' people are the ones that can (generally) afford the new toys whether cars or motorcycles. The 'younger' ones have to mess with the older stuff. Basically whatever they can afford and fix up. The good part for them is there are a great many affordable, working, excellent motorcycles available.
It is kind of funny to me that the 'real' bikers I hung with growing up would ride and modify whatever they could get their hands on. Somewhere along the line it changed to the 'big' HD's being the center of the universe for many. Not sure exactly how it morphed into that but it seems it is reversing now.
Unfortunately HD grabbed onto that and painted themselves into a corner. Now they are trying to paint their way back out by building bikes to appeal to the younger crowd that are 'maybe' getting to where they can afford a newer bike.
I still don't see a lot of them paying $20K for a new bike when you can buy an excellent used one for $3K that will get you there in the same amount of time but with less insurance costs and better milage. Not to mention you will not loose a large part of the value in a few years.
May 9th 2019, 10:02 AM   #22
 Sentinel's Avatar
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
concur. all the electrics are aiming for the "premium" niche. I note that Mazda is heading upscale with their electrics and don't even THINK about one of those cool new electric mountain bikes that are easily over 10k and can go higher.

the move to electrics is exacerbating the money divide and the don't-have-as-muches are gonna be rightly pissed as infrastructure and policy begin to heavily favor electrics and even possibly begin to punish gasoline vehicle operators (lane restrictions _are_ coming as well as carbon fees thanks to under-educated planet-savers who bought the global warming/carbon psyop), probably increased insurance for "manually-driven" vehicles (once the robots become entrenched) and etc etc.

a used sv650 remains a good choice, but the tide is headed out on gasoline vehicles and the freedom (from tracking and control, they can already shut down e-cars remotely ala Idiocracy) they allow.

we will rue the move to electrics because they are essentially internet cars and we all know how caring and safe the internet is.
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May 9th 2019, 10:45 AM   #23
 Parilla125's Avatar
  Jan 2016

Wow! Too much caffeine my man!
I do agree, however...
May 9th 2019, 11:35 AM   #24
 liberpolly's Avatar
  Jan 2016

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
They are not 'aiming for the "premium" niche', it's just that they are at the point where they are still expensive because they didn't hit the economy of scale yet. When they will, the electrics will be much cheaper than ICE.
May 9th 2019, 01:00 PM   #25
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  Jan 2016

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
It is just technological trickle down. As the technology improves and more people buy into it, economies of scale will slide in, bringing the price down to the reach of everyperson.

Or maybe we prols need a yellow vest movement...

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