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Mar 31st 2019, 06:19 AM   #1
 Oregon Motorcycle's Avatar
 
  Mar 2019
  oregon

My Craigslist R6 w/ no Title

Hello guys and gals. Im new here and hoping to meet some fellow enthusiast. I recently picked up a Yamaha YZFR6 2000 year model (frame) with almost all the other parts being from a 2004. I knew the swing arm had been swapped, but didn't realized until I got it home that the rest of the bike was swapped too. The fairings are from 99-02, but even the headlights are from an 04. Motor, forks, cluster, rear sets, etc.

The research I did on obtaining a lost title in Oregon showed to be a lil different than what Im going through Its been somewhat of a rollercoaster, but I think things are going to be fine. Without ruining the story too much, I did get some good news yesterday which I'll be talking about in the 3rd or 4th video. I started a channel to showcase my adventures, but also to show others what it takes to get a lost title. Most people selling bikes or frames with no title have no clue what it takes to get one so they sell them as "track only" or "stunt". People selling bikes like this cant legally give the buyer a BOS, yet a lot do.

Anyways, this was a gamble I took. Buying a used any vehicle is a gamble too, but the bigger the gamble, the bigger the reward. And I know your not supposed to buy a bike w/o a title, its just a non no, even the local police told me that So heres my first 2 videos. Im working on the 3rd one now and have more coming. Im no expert guys, but I think I have the basics down so go easy on me



Mar 31st 2019, 09:18 AM   #2
 Flyboymedic's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Honda VFR800, Husqvarna TE 610, Ducati Hypermotard 1100S, Yamaha Radian, MZ 125SM
I bought a bike w/o a title late last year. It had been title jumped a few times, was cheap enough, in almost new condition, rare, and the VIN checked out fine so I bought it with the worst case scenario being that I used it for a track bike or parted it out and doubled my money. So I bought it and got the info of the last known title holder from the DOL. I contacted them through FB, but they didn't respond that way so I sent a very professional looking letter politely requesting them to sign off on the release of interest form which I included. This was sent via USPS and a Certified Letter envelope. I got it back signed by the owner over a month later, but unfortunately I had just gone through the WSP inspection and paid for a registration/plate that morning so I wasted a little bit of time/$$$ on that process, but it was interesting to go through that with WSP and was only about $20 extra in fees in the end. Anyway, I got the release of interest form signed and notarized, and paid for the title and I should be getting it in a week or so.

I considered going the Vermont route, but I didn't care about the 3 year wait for WA so went that route.

I'm not scared of a title jumped bike with no title, but I went in cautiously with a backup plan and it worked out for me. I may do it again in the future if I find another bike I really want for cheap and can make it worthwhile even if I can't obtain a title.

Edited by Flyboymedic on Mar 31st 2019 at 09:38 AM
Mar 31st 2019, 09:48 AM   #3
 coastrider's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon Coast

  2017 BMW R1200RT
When you first asked DMV to check on the VIN did they want your identification? If my bike was ever stolen and someone appeared at the DMV wanting to run the VIN I would be wanting to know about that as the obvious thought is that they now made contact with my bike.

Is there a VIN in more than one place on a bike? You are aware of the mixed year set of parts, when DMV ends up issuing title will they just go by the VIN on headstock and issue a title appropriate for year listed as manufacture? Will DMV do any sort of inspection to make sure bike meets requirements such as DOT compliant lights/signals?
Mar 31st 2019, 10:19 AM   #4
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

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When you first asked DMV to check on the VIN did they want your identification? If my bike was ever stolen and someone appeared at the DMV wanting to run the VIN I would be wanting to know about that as the obvious thought is that they now made contact with my bike.

Is there a VIN in more than one place on a bike? You are aware of the mixed year set of parts, when DMV ends up issuing title will they just go by the VIN on headstock and issue a title appropriate for year listed as manufacture? Will DMV do any sort of inspection to make sure bike meets requirements such as DOT compliant lights/signals?
Good questions. Yes they took my ID, and actually physically held on to it until everything was ran. Not sure if that is just the way this lady handled things, or is protocol. You also have to give your phone number along with everything else to obtain the last owners info. I ran the VIN before I purchased the bike on some website (I forget) and then the DMV ran it. You can call the DMV to run numbers before you make a purchase to find out if the person selling is the last owner. I started to feel uncomfortable talking with the receiptiant of the first letter, and ended up calling the police. They too ran the VIN. It's clean and not a salvage...lol

So yes there is more than one VIN on a bike, besides the frame VIN on the neck, there is an engine VIN too which does not go with the frame VIN. To my knowledge California is the only state right now recording engine VINs. They are actually on the registration now.

As far as an inspection, I have no clue. When I first did research on this, I read it would have to go through a state police inspection. I know because of the age, there is not going to be an odometer check either. It sounds like there just going to issue me a pink based on the numbers on the frame and thats it.
Apr 1st 2019, 12:53 PM   #5
 Oregon Motorcycle's Avatar
 
  Mar 2019
  oregon

Getting closer. This will probably be the last vid I post here, because I think Im pretty much done. I'll come back and update when its all official. Might need a beer or 2 for this vid



I have more vids filmed and I'm working on editing them now. They just won't be related to this subject.
Apr 10th 2019, 07:33 AM   #6
 Akdawg's Avatar
 
  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
I went through the WSP inspection process last summer with a "no title" Sportster. Painless actually, the inspector told me previous to bringing the bike in it didn't need lights, or to run. Didn't care if I pushed it in, "just make it look like a motorcycle". They're looking at numbers only. Got a 3 yr registration which is fully transferrable. Prior to requesting the inspection form from DOL I did have the locals run a NCIS check on it to look for hot numbers. Apparently if there is no title activity for 10 years it purges out of the system, not so for hot #'s, stays in forever or until resolved. The inspector ,BTW, well informed...commented from 50 yds away, "cool - a late 60's Sportster!"
Apr 22nd 2019, 06:25 AM   #7
 Red Label Moto's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
Wow if that bike could talk it would have some stories to tell. If not stolen (almost certainly it is) there is for sure something shady in its past. The “for some reason it didn’t come with a gas cap key” story is the stuff of legends. Whoever came up with the “red flag” phrase was possibly thinking of this exact scenario. You’re a brave man!

You say the frame is a 2000 and the motor is a 2004. The 04 motor is complete with its fuel injection system and whatnot? Swapping an 03-05 R6 or 06-09 R6S motor (efi) into a 2002 or earlier R6 frame (carbureted) is a fair bit of work. To do it properly takes some skill and know how.

The most obvious hypothesis is some nice person “found” a 2004 R6 on their way home from Sunday school. Then they swapped most of it into a 2000 frame they had been saving for a rainy day. That theory does not explain the 2001/2002 tailights and tailsection but I’m sure there are more mysteries here.

The statement that bikes have more than one VIN is 100% incorrect. Every vehicle sold for steeet use in this country since 1981 has exactly one 17-digit vehicle identification number. One only. Yes the engine has its own serial number however that is not a VIN.

A 2000 R6 has the 17-digit VIN stamped in the headstock as well as on a white decal affixed to the frame.

Assuming the 2000 R6 was not reported stolen or involved in some other reported hijinks anywhere in the country obtaining a legit title will not be impossible. The other thing that might clog the works is if some bank or other lending institution has a lien on this fine machine.
Apr 22nd 2019, 06:42 AM   #8
 Red Label Moto's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
Just watched the first part of the 2nd video. The highlights so far were “overspray on the front wheel” and “last registered owner is in prison”.

All that and I have yet to finish the vid. How can this story possibly get any better lol.
Apr 22nd 2019, 06:58 AM   #9
 Oregon Motorcycle's Avatar
 
  Mar 2019
  oregon

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Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
Just watched the first part of the 2nd video. The highlights so far were “overspray on the front wheel” and “last registered owner is in prison”.

All that and I have yet to finish the vid. How can this story possibly get any better lol.
Ha Ha.... Finally someone sharing the same thoughts as me.

There is definitely some shady s..t going on here and at one point I was expecting the police to show up at my house! That never happened. I also got a crazy story from the guy I bought it from.

I ended up talking with the owner in prison and he’s trying to get his power of attorney to sign a bill of sale for me. I also should have have my returned letter soon.
Apr 22nd 2019, 07:10 AM   #10
 Red Label Moto's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
The po-po won’t rattle your cage because the 2000 frame wasn’t ever reported stolen or missing or seen robbing a 7-11 or running over kids or whatever. So now your 2-wheeled contraband has been successfully “washed” and whatever crackhead or meth monster who cooked up this scheme got away with one.

In your riding vid you mention it’s normal for the cooling fan not to come on. That is all kinds of bad info right there.
Apr 22nd 2019, 11:02 AM   #11
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
The po-po won’t rattle your cage because the 2000 frame wasn’t ever reported stolen or missing or seen robbing a 7-11 or running over kids or whatever. So now your 2-wheeled contraband has been successfully “washed” and whatever crackhead or meth monster who cooked up this scheme got away with one.

In your riding vid you mention it’s normal for the cooling fan not to come on. That is all kinds of bad info right there.
Funny. I ran the owners record and he has a long record including posesion of meth. But!, but he bought this bike the way it is. His power of attorney (old GF maybe or wife) sent me pics of her sitting on it when he first got it. She told me it was practically brand new.... There was some shady dealings with the guy I got it from and whoever he got it from. The guy I bought the bike from is bitter! He wants the address of the owner. He offered to go to the house with me, ect. He obviously feels he got screwed over. There was a car involved in a trade for this bike, ect ect.

The reason I was concerned about the police coming over was because of his sister. She opened the first letter, called me, and chewed me out. Demanding names and wanted to know where I got it. Told me that bike was her brothers and was supposed to be in storage. That’s when I got nervous and called the cops. The cops reassured me I was fine and told me to never buy a bike with out a title.

As far as the fan, the intraweb told me it’s a common problem with these bikes so I just dumped a hotlead to the circuit and put it on a switch. What I really need to figure out is the neutral switch.
May 18th 2019, 04:48 AM   #12
 Oregon Motorcycle's Avatar
 
  Mar 2019
  oregon

Update:

Last week the DMV (after the 3rd attempt) finally accepted my lost title application! I provided a sealed, returned to sender letter addressed to the last registered owner. My original BOS. All my receipts up to the day and a long list of all the work I've done on the bike since I purchased it. The receipts and list of work shows interest in the bike and helps "my case". The lady told me everything looked really good and I should have no issues. If I do however, Salem will request more info. In the meantime I was issued a 90 day temp tag. Looks like I might be over the hump, or better yet, the roller coaster ride might be coming to an end.

So, if you guys are looking at a lost title bike that you just gotta have in Oregon, heres what I suggest. Take the VIN to the DMV and pay 4 bucks to get the last owners info. Then send a certified letter to that person at that address to see whats going on. That would be the best way with minimal investment to get the ball rolling. And remember just because the VIN is clean, doesn't always mean that. There are stolen bikes out there that are not reported stolen....

I will make a wrap up vid once the title is in my hand covering all this and hopefully helping the next guy interested in a project like this.

Oh ya on a side note, Ive put over 3k miles on the bike so far (runs amazing) and I'm at about 1/2 the price of the BBV on money spent! This will be an awesome score if I do in fact get the title. Peace!
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May 31st 2019, 03:57 AM   #13
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

And it finally happened. Took about 3 months to get and if I hadn’t been dealing with some shady folks I probably could of had it done sooner. Anyway here it is and lil more

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