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Feb 12th 2018, 12:20 PM   #91
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oops...


RCW 9.41.270

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, display, or draw any firearm... in a manner.. that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

(2) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (1) above shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor (and) shall lose his or her concealed pistol license.
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Feb 12th 2018, 01:18 PM   #92
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  The Socialist Republic of Seattle

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Originally Posted by Scribbles
oops...


RCW 9.41.270

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, display, or draw any firearm... in a manner.. that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

(2) Any person violating the provisions of subsection (1) above shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor (and) shall lose his or her concealed pistol license.
Thank You. I was going ask a few question about this situation. Here are a few.

Did the 60 year old driver grabbed her by the hair? With a full face motorcycle helmet on? I doubt it.

Did the car driver stop the motorcyclist or the other way around?

Would have the motorcyclist been better off running away from this one particular car?

Did the car driver pull a gun on the motorcyclist?

Remember when conceal carry or open carry firearms you live by something called Use of force continuum. I have carried guns for years. I have never pulled mine out and pointed it at another person for their bad driving
Feb 12th 2018, 01:28 PM   #93
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

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I'd argue that someone "riding my ass" with their car is also brandishing a weapon. A lot of those stupid comments are being deleted because if this case goes to court, all of this shit will be public record and it WILL be used against her. How'd you like to be responsible for landing someone in prison?
Feb 12th 2018, 01:41 PM   #94
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle, WA

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That's definitely brandishing, and I won't defend it. She's an idiot. She's also alive.
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Feb 12th 2018, 01:57 PM   #95
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  Olympia

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This is what can happen when two knuckle heads meet.
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Feb 12th 2018, 03:58 PM   #96
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  Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by mgfchapin
I'd argue that someone "riding my ass" with their car is also brandishing a weapon. A lot of those stupid comments are being deleted because if this case goes to court, all of this shit will be public record and it WILL be used against her. How'd you like to be responsible for landing someone in prison?
Wait... What?

While I'm not convinced that the shooting was justified, I'll be completely surprised if they charge her.

That said, if ever someone is charged for a crime that I drew attention to, (or reported). I would have no remorse at all for the consequences of THEIR actions.
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Feb 12th 2018, 04:20 PM   #97
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mgfchapin
I'd argue that someone "riding my ass" with their car is also brandishing a weapon. A lot of those stupid comments are being deleted because if this case goes to court, all of this shit will be public record and it WILL be used against her. How'd you like to be responsible for landing someone in prison?
Evidence of Guilt sends people to prison, not hearsay...
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Feb 12th 2018, 04:22 PM   #98
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  Feb 2016
  Bothell

I'd have to agree with Scribbles. I'd be very happy that I landed a criminal in jail for bringing attention to their crime.

That one copied post about brandishing her weapon to someone who she felt was tailgating her makes me think she is no different then every other jackass who things they are tough cause they have a gun on em. I need to buy a dash cam and start riding with a gopro...

I'm really curious to see more info about this one. Too bad it will take a year to come out. whole situation is dumb...
Feb 12th 2018, 06:22 PM   #99
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Originally Posted by jedijesus
News reports are not a credible source of info lmao
nevermind.

Edited by Sentinel on Feb 12th 2018 at 06:31 PM
Feb 12th 2018, 06:31 PM   #100
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Edited by Sentinel on Feb 13th 2018 at 05:01 AM
Feb 12th 2018, 08:50 PM   #101
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  Seattle

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jedijesus can you tell us how long Amber has owned her R6 ?
Feb 12th 2018, 08:56 PM   #102
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  Jan 2016
  NW

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jedijesus can you tell us how long Amber has owned her R6 ?

It's Aubrey.. not Amber..

Somewhere else, I saw her post this pic of her new bike.




Why?

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 12th 2018 at 09:02 PM
Feb 12th 2018, 10:08 PM   #103
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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ahhh. Aubrey. My apologies.

Why? Morbid curiosity. I thought I may have known the bike. However, being made aware of the date she bought it... I do not.

In these situations the 1st thought that rushes to mind for me is usually "dumb vs dumb" with the expected tragic results. I try my best to stifle that judgement until the facts reveal themselves.

A nearly immediate online/public cash request by the shooter coupled with what appears to be an impressive criminal record for a relatively short period of time and online boasting of flashing a firearm at another motorist don't immediately make me think "not dumb". Plenty of time for the real story to come out though.

One can always hope that the publicizing of this type of event can somehow prevent such occurrences in the future or at least make them less frequent. Sadly that does not seem to be the case.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles
It's Aubrey.. not Amber..

Somewhere else, I saw her post this pic of her new bike.




Why?

Edited by Red Label Moto on Feb 12th 2018 at 10:14 PM
Feb 13th 2018, 08:39 AM   #104
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Originally Posted by CodeBlue
This is gonna sound confrontational, but I really don't mean it that way. Please don't think I'm trying to be a jerk.
Do you think that your exceedingly advanced riding skill set colors your plan in that situation? Would you, if you were a first year rider on an R6, have the confidence in your skills to evade during rush hour? I keep doing the "first year rider" math coupled with a fairly common tendency by folks to freeze in suddenly stressful situations.
You and I could get away no problem. But would we have the presence of mind to do so? I'm on the other side of the fence in that I do carry on occasion (haven't drawn in 11 years, hate the idea of ever doing so) and I'm uncertain as to whether I'd have run. People have gotten out of their cars to yell at me, but as I'm a 6'1" dude I always assumed correctly that it wouldn't turn physical. I don't know that evading is, on average, the safer option.
I agree that it's a tragedy for all involved. It's scary how fast your life can change.
I guess it depends on your skills with a bike or gun. I tend to always leave an exit path when behind a car and keep an eye on my mirrors, mostly to avoid being rear ended, so zipping between cars wouldn't take a lot of skill. Considering the outcome of this situation and the possibility for the other guy to be packing, I think running is the safer option. JMHO
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Feb 14th 2018, 01:16 PM   #105
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Of course there are two cases here. Criminal and civil. The Criminal may be settled fairly quickly 'if' there is dashcam video, particularly if it has sound. The civil will be a long, long process most likely. And expensive. No doubt she would do it differently if she had it to do over but it is too late for that.
I did (everyone has?) done some dumbass stuff in my youth. Some by accident, some just doing, well, dumbass stuff... Glad it never got to this extent.
It is very unfortunate for both parties in this situation.
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