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Feb 11th 2018, 03:48 PM   #76
 Scribbles's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  NW

To be clear, I'm not defending Mr Jones. He may be a complete asshole who deserved to get handcuffed and thrown in to the back of a patrol car while his wife watched. I am not yet convinced that he deserved a death sentence.
Many people are posting their opinions here as if they are facts. (there is this really cool thing called a hyperlink.. you should look it up..)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jedijesus
Besides, even if she's yelling at him that his mother is a hooker it doesn't give him the right to lay a hand on her..

I do agree with you, (is that what happened?) but Provoking Assault is a crime in many places. I cant find it in the RCWs, but it should be (and may be) illegal for someone who is carrying a firearm to provoke an assault. (and ridiculous to then claim self defense.)

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 11th 2018 at 04:00 PM
Feb 11th 2018, 03:59 PM   #77
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  02 R1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles
To be clear, I'm not defending Mr Jones. He may be a complete asshole who deserved to get handcuffed and thrown in to the back of a patrol car while his wife watched. I am not yet convinced that he deserved a death sentence.
Many people are posting their opinions here as if they are facts. (there is this really cool thing called a hyperlink.. you should look it up..)

True, (is that what happened?) but that might be a crime.. Provoking assault is a crime in many places. I cant find it in the RCWs, but it should be (and may be) illegal for someone who is carrying a firearm to provoke an assault. (and ridiculous to then claim self defense.)
Idk if she told him his mother was a hooker. But he attacked her and she was justified in using deadly force to stop the attack.

No hyperlinks, I'm getting my info directly from her.
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Feb 11th 2018, 04:23 PM   #78
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  Jan 2016
  Here

  R1200ST, CB350
Someone who physically assaults you in the middle of a highway is a dangerous lunatic. If you're a woman bound up in riding gear being assaulted by a dangerous lunatic who outmasses you by what, 70lbs minimum? you don't bide your time, thinking "oh, I'm sure he's really very reasonable and he'll stop short of curb-stomping me and breaking my neck; he's not like crazy or anything." No, you defend yourself as if your life is in danger, because it is. What makes this case unusual is she actually had the means to do so.

As others have mentioned, a fatal shooting on a public highway is not something the police take lightly. They had eyewitness testimony and the attacker's own dashcam. That they let her walk away says a lot about how unequivocal they found that evidence.
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Feb 11th 2018, 05:06 PM   #79
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  Jan 2016
  NW

Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
They had eyewitness testimony and the attacker's own dashcam. That they let her walk away says a lot about how unequivocal they found that evidence.
Got a link to this? I have seen no mention of a dashcam, and all the witness accounts in the news are generic "there was a lot of shouting" and "at one point they were fighting on the ground".

None of jesus's statements are supported by news reports and many of these reports state "she has not been cleared of wrongdoing" by the State Patrol.
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Feb 11th 2018, 05:28 PM   #80
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  02 R1
News reports are not a credible source of info lmao
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Feb 11th 2018, 05:34 PM   #81
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  Jan 2016
  Here

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles
Got a link to this? I have seen no mention of a dashcam
I see now that that was in an uncorroborated comment someone made earlier in this thread, I'll withdraw that. But while we're on the subject of your admirable factual rigor I confess I can't find your citation for this:

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She's no victim. She had plenty of opportunities for this to end differently, but she responded with anger and escalated the encounter.
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Feb 11th 2018, 06:08 PM   #82
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  Jan 2016
  NW

Quote:
Originally Posted by jedijesus
News reports are not a credible source of info lmao
well, we now have it from "Jesus" that news is fake..

Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
I see now that that was in an uncorroborated comment someone made earlier in this thread, I'll withdraw that. But while we're on the subject of your admirable factual rigor I confess I can't find your citation for this:
She's no victim. She had plenty of opportunities for this to end differently, but she responded with anger and escalated the encounter.


Mr Shatner, I cannot argue with you.. that is just my own opinion based on the credible information that I have seen. I am not above changing that opinion in the future..

edit> I will add these citations, although the credibility is vague.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg
Sharing some info from the Facebook groups, where she is an active member:
-She has talked about flashing her gun to a car in a different incident
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedijesus

That's almost exactly how it happened.
..she shoved back then the guy..

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 12th 2018 at 12:34 AM
Feb 11th 2018, 06:18 PM   #83
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  Feb 2016
  Near Spokane

This thread has been all over the place with should haves and could haves and prior instances of possibly not following the law.

I will probably wait until the real story comes out and then make a decision but at this point all I know is that no one is obligated to take a beating on the side of the road at the hands of another.

She did what she felt was necessary to stop the assault and now it will be up to the prosecutors office to sort out all of the details.

bob
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Feb 11th 2018, 08:56 PM   #84
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
Wow, serious tragedy for all involved. I have no idea what the true details are, but I can tell you that I would never get off my bike in the middle of traffic to engage some irate driver! And I am a 6'6" male! I also don't carry, but if someone wants to get out of their car, I am assuming they do. And I am going to GTFO! And no SUV, or car for that matter, is likely to catch me, especially if I am on an R6!
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Feb 12th 2018, 07:47 AM   #85
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  Jan 2016
  West Richland, WA

The whole story is sad, but this State seems to be getting worse about road rage by the day. People need to just "let it go" instead of getting offended by other drivers. I think this is the primary reason lane-sharing isnt going anywhere anytime soon.

If I were in the bikers situation, I would have made every attempt to run like hell, even if it involved many illegal acts. Then again, you could offend some other driver on the road who comes after you also. Where does that road lead?

On the other hand, I believe that every person in this great Country has the right to stand their ground. You come at someone physically, they should have every right to use anything at their disposal to stop you. No-one should have "uncontrollable-aggression privilege".
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Feb 12th 2018, 10:18 AM   #86
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle, WA

  KTM 990 Adventure
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteN95
Wow, serious tragedy for all involved. I have no idea what the true details are, but I can tell you that I would never get off my bike in the middle of traffic to engage some irate driver! And I am a 6'6" male! I also don't carry, but if someone wants to get out of their car, I am assuming they do. And I am going to GTFO! And no SUV, or car for that matter, is likely to catch me, especially if I am on an R6!
This is gonna sound confrontational, but I really don't mean it that way. Please don't think I'm trying to be a jerk.

Do you think that your exceedingly advanced riding skill set colors your plan in that situation? Would you, if you were a first year rider on an R6, have the confidence in your skills to evade during rush hour? I keep doing the "first year rider" math coupled with a fairly common tendency by folks to freeze in suddenly stressful situations.

You and I could get away no problem. But would we have the presence of mind to do so? I'm on the other side of the fence in that I do carry on occasion (haven't drawn in 11 years, hate the idea of ever doing so) and I'm uncertain as to whether I'd have run. People have gotten out of their cars to yell at me, but as I'm a 6'1" dude I always assumed correctly that it wouldn't turn physical. I don't know that evading is, on average, the safer option.

I agree that it's a tragedy for all involved. It's scary how fast your life can change.
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Feb 12th 2018, 10:48 AM   #87
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  Apr 2016
  Eugene

Play stupid games...win stupid prizes.
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Feb 12th 2018, 10:51 AM   #88
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  Jan 2016
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  R1200ST, CB350
As long as we're Monday morning QB'ing a game none of us saw, it is trivially easy for me to picture a situation where I could not just ride away from someone who hopped out of a car to assault me. The most obvious is simply that I'm slightly too close to an obstacle, namely the stopped car in front of me. Happens all the time in stop and start traffic even when I'm not distracted by a rager. In order to ride off I'd have to kick the bike back to the point where I not only can get my front tire pointed at an exit path such as the shoulder or median edge, but far enough back that I can actually physically turn the bike into it.

As a guy who has to ease a boxer twice a day down the gap in my driveway between the house and the cars, I'm acutely aware how narrow the angle from that gap has to be order to successfully maneuver the bike into it; and that's assuming I even have the backup room to attain that angle. It's something you set up at a pace of feet or even inches per second. If there's a bellowing fruitcake charging at me and I have a choice between trying to do that and getting caught, totally vulnerable, on the bike, vs. getting off fast and squaring off against him, I know what I'm going to choose.
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Feb 12th 2018, 11:04 AM   #89
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles
she didnt need tire warmers to make a 15 mph getaway.

lol
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Feb 12th 2018, 01:08 PM   #90
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  Apr 2016
  PDX

  2014 Triumph Daytona 675R
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles

edit> I will add these citations, although the credibility is vague.
So this is what I saw. I grabbed a screenshot (technically of another screen shot) from one of the threads after I realized the PNW Riders and PNW Moto Riders admins were wiping anything remotely related to this incident away. She also apparently deleted her facebook along with any post or comment she's made.



I pointed out the hypocrisy of them barring discussion about the incident but people (her and others) talking about flashing guns at car has been a okay.

To make my viewpoint clear, I think it's reasonable based on what I've read (at this point in time) that she was justified in shooting the guy. Unfortunately, when you demonstrate this type of behavior you are neither a responsible rider or gun owner and I won't support them verbally or financially, via a hastily thrown up gofundme or otherwise. I'm not into the "look how tough I am because I have a firearm" thing.

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