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Feb 10th 2018, 06:39 PM   #61
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  Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by CodeBlue
Your fact checking isn't the issue. I was wrong about an element of the story, since apparently she dismounted. Your attitude surrounding the fact checking, though...

I'm curious what you think her best course of action was, and why.
On a weekly basis, I see angry drivers on the road. Sometimes I'm not driving fast enough (5 mph over the posted limit), or maybe I pulled out in front of someone who has to slow down slightly.
They respond with aggressive driving, sometimes cutting me off, sometimes giving a gesture with their fingers.
I always avoid eye contact, and keep driving as if nothing happened but I think to myself "someday, you are going to interact with another driver who also has anger management issues and you may end up getting shot over it".

I think this was just two angry people who escalated something stupid into a homicide. She's no victim. She had plenty of opportunities for this to end differently, but she responded with anger and escalated the encounter.

I'd like to see her gun rights permanently revoked and I think anger management classes would also be appropriate. Unfortunately, our court system is incredibly biased towards women so I won't be surprised if no charges are ever filed against her.

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 10th 2018 at 06:46 PM
Feb 10th 2018, 06:46 PM   #62
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

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I searched the court records like you suggested and found no results.
Feb 10th 2018, 07:38 PM   #63
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  Jan 2016
  NW

Aubrey is no stranger to legal problems..

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Feb 10th 2018, 08:20 PM   #64
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
Aubrey is no stranger to legal problems..

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Feb 10th 2018, 11:13 PM   #65
 
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
Aubrey is no stranger to legal problems..

http://prntscr.com/id1mhr
That may mean something to you, but to me that's just a proverbial Red Herring.

If any of those court cases were anything of significance, she would not have been legally carrying a concealed weapon; and I'm pretty damn sure that if she was carrying illegally, then she would have been arrested and not released. My suspicion is that those cases are nothing more than traffic citations, or other civil infractions.
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Feb 10th 2018, 11:45 PM   #66
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  Jan 2016
  NW

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Originally Posted by FeralRdr
That may mean something to you, but to me that's just a proverbial Red Herring.
So.. you wouldn't be interested in the 60 yo mans criminal history? (I looked that up too... ) if its just a red herring..
Feb 11th 2018, 10:25 AM   #67
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  Jan 2016
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This whole thing is just Gaud awful. A 23 year old woman who's had 11 court appearances over a 5-year period, shoots and kills a 60-year old man about 1-1/2 months after her last appearance. Whatever the final outcome her life is probably never going to be the same.

To paraphrase Paradox & Scribbles a bit:

*Hands on the wheel or handlebars
*Eyes on the road directly ahead
*Breath long slow deep breaths
*Calm down and zen out
*Try to control the BP & Pulse Rate

I've read that after uncontrolled anger outbursts people have suffered heart attacks and strokes as much as 8-10 hours after the event.
Feb 11th 2018, 01:16 PM   #68
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle, WA

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles
On a weekly basis, I see angry drivers on the road. Sometimes I'm not driving fast enough (5 mph over the posted limit), or maybe I pulled out in front of someone who has to slow down slightly.
They respond with aggressive driving, sometimes cutting me off, sometimes giving a gesture with their fingers.
I always avoid eye contact, and keep driving as if nothing happened but I think to myself "someday, you are going to interact with another driver who also has anger management issues and you may end up getting shot over it".

I think this was just two angry people who escalated something stupid into a homicide. She's no victim. She had plenty of opportunities for this to end differently, but she responded with anger and escalated the encounter.

I'd like to see her gun rights permanently revoked and I think anger management classes would also be appropriate. Unfortunately, our court system is incredibly biased towards women so I won't be surprised if no charges are ever filed against her.
She's no victim because you decided she isn't? Maybe she was a motorist who was assaulted and defended herself against an attack with the best tool at her disposal. You keep saying she could have deescalated, but that's not her job. Her job is to not attack someone, and she did that just fine. She was attacked and fought back to protect herself.

As for posting her court record, I had a laundry list of traffic citations ten years ago. Does that disqualify me from protecting myself if attacked? You lose your Concealed Pistol License for anything above a misdemeanor, so seeing as she was released after a brief detainment period screams "licensed to carry, and not a criminal".

Your logic seems to boil down to "I don't like that she shot someone, so I'm going to find a way to make it her fault that someone tried to beat her on the side of the road." Again, it seems an awful lot like "She'd had a one night stand before, so who's to say whether she led him on? They were both too aroused to make good decisions that night."

She was physically attacked when she stopped with traffic. Stop trying to make her a criminal for the grievous offense of stopping when someone else was pissed off.
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Feb 11th 2018, 01:58 PM   #69
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
She had plenty of opportunities for this to end differently
Why do people keep saying this without any shred of evidence, and with plenty of indirect evidence to the contrary? I am genuinely curious, not trying to be argumentative or defend her.
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Feb 11th 2018, 02:15 PM   #70
 
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
So.. you wouldn't be interested in the 60 yo mans criminal history? (I looked that up too... ) if its just a red herring..
Yes, I was interested, and yes, I looked his records up too, and yes those records are also a red herring (IMHO). Again, there are no specifics for most cases, and those that do provide more info (I only clicked on a a couple of them) appeared to be for litigious cases (lawsuits for debt), and thus had no apparent bearing on this case.

Buuuuutttt, you already knew that didn't you? After all, by your own admission you looked those records up too... and didn't post the results. Which (I might add) is amazing seeing as how there is a longer list of results under the name Bruce Jones; isn't there? Of course, this brings up another issue doesn't it: how do we know that we are talking about the same Bruce Jones? Without more information, there's no way to know for sure. Also, if we are truly being fair, and not letting our biases run rampant, you should also consider that if there are potentially more than one Bruce Jones, there just might be more than one Aubrey Bowlin.

Again, without more information concerning the court cases in these records, and confirming the identities of the parties involved, the court records are nothing but a red herring. Without knowing more about the cases, referencing this information does nothing but throw mud into an already somewhat cloudy situation.
Feb 11th 2018, 02:36 PM   #71
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  Jan 2016
  NW

Why does everyone keep assuming that she was attacked?

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo...d-12597854.php

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Details of what led to the road rage have not been released. The State Patrol said traffic had slowed to a stop. The motorcyclist had stopped in the HOV lane. Jones and his wife, in a silver SUV, pulled alongside her on the left-side median. He got out of the car. She got off her motorcycle.
She's stopped in the HOV lane with two escape routes- lane splitting on the right, or the 8' wide shoulder on the left. Traffic was stop and go, so she didnt need tire warmers to make a 15 mph getaway.

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Witnesses said they heard a lot of shouting.
Many of you seem to think that she was immediately assaulted, but there was yelling first. (insults? provocations?) She had time to walk away, call the police, or even get back on her bike and leave. When was the last time that shouting on the side of the road solved anything?

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she barely got off her bike before he was in her face shoving her, she shoved back....
"If" this is true, it is another opportunity for her to walk away. If I got pushed by a biker at a bar and pushed him back, how many of you would feel sorry for me when I got my ass beat? (With a helmet and riding gear on, he may not have known that he was fighting a woman. Not that it matters to me, I believe that women should be held to the same standard as men)

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At some point, Jones and the young woman were on the ground fighting
This sounds like a catfight. Most 60 yo men I know are pretty feeble, so I'm not convinced that this was a life threatening situation. Traffic was nearly stopped and there were plenty of witnesses so at this point I'm sure there were people moving towards them to break it up.

She's lucky that he didnt get control of the pistol and shoot her in self defense. (it would have been ironic if he'd also been carrying and while mortally wounded, shot her..)

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 11th 2018 at 02:45 PM
Feb 11th 2018, 02:43 PM   #72
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Yes, I was interested, and yes, I looked his records up too, and yes those records are also a red herring (IMHO).

Aubrey Tayler Bowlin is a very unique name. I'm confident that all of those cases are hers.

but even with his middle name there are too many cases to tell which ones belong to the 60 yo Bruce Jones. (there is a Bruce <same middle initial> Jones with a felony conviction from November)
Thats why I didnt post his record.

I'm sure the police and press already have all this information..

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 11th 2018 at 02:50 PM
Feb 11th 2018, 02:56 PM   #73
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  Portland

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles
Why does everyone keep assuming that she was attacked?

She's stopped in the HOV lane with two escape routes- lane splitting on the right, or the 8' wide shoulder on the left. Traffic was stop and go, so she didnt need tire warmers to make a 15 mph getaway.

Many of you seem to think that she was immediately assaulted, but there was yelling first. (insults? provocations?) She had time to walk away, call the police, or even get back on her bike and leave. When was the last time that shouting on the side of the road solved anything?

"If" this is true, it is another opportunity for her to walk away. If I got pushed by a biker at a bar and pushed him back, how many of you would feel sorry for me when I got my ass beat? (With a helmet and riding gear on, he may not have known that he was fighting a woman. (not that it matters to me, I believe that women should be held to the same standard as men)

This sounds like a catfight. Most 60 yo men I know are pretty feeble, so I'm not convinced that this was a life threatening situation. Traffic was nearly stopped and there were plenty of witnesses so at this point I'm sure there were people moving towards them to break it up.

She's lucky that he didnt get control of the pistol and shoot her in self defense. (it would have been ironic if he'd also been carrying and while mortally wounded, shot her..)
Due to the fact that the police uncuffed her and let her go, the facts clearly support the self defense argument and witnesses on scene said he attacked her.

She was stopped behind a car in traffic when he pulled up next to her on the shoulder and got out of his car and went up to her. Shoved her. Then started wailing on her when she shoved back to get away.


Just because there was yelling doesn't mean it was in some succinct order. The guy got out of his car yelling and coming at her. Besides, even if she's yelling at him that his mother is a hooker it doesn't give him the right to lay a hand on her.

The "catfight" was him throwing her to the ground by pulling her hair and beating the shit out of her. He knew it was a woman. Have you seen the pics of her? Idc who you are, she's obviously female.

Someone was trying to help. They got out if their car and was going toward them as the guy was beating her up against the barrier, Aubrey was able to get back to her feet while he dragged her by the helmet to the wall, and this is where she was able to get a shot off.

To suggest a 5"nothing woman on a bike made a 60 yo man get out of his car and attacked him is retarded. I know 60 yo men that are in good shape and would have no problem beating the shit out of someone. Add an anger problem to that and all bets are off.
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Feb 11th 2018, 03:14 PM   #74
 
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
Aubrey Tayler Bowlin is a very unique name. I'm confident that all of those cases are hers.

but even with his middle name there are too many cases to tell which ones belong to the 60 yo Bruce Jones. (there is a Bruce <same middle initial> Jones with a felony conviction from November)
Thats why I didnt post his record.

I'm sure the police and press already have all this information..
Oh I agree your confident in your belief, but it doesn't mean your right in your assumptions, and that's all your opinion is based on: assumptions.
Feb 11th 2018, 03:35 PM   #75
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jedijesus

The "catfight" was him throwing her to the ground by pulling her hair and beating the shit out of her. He knew it was a woman. Have you seen the pics of her? Idc who you are, she's obviously female.




And, if he didn't know it was a woman when he got out of his car, he certainly knew it was a woman when the shouting match started.
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