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Feb 9th 2018, 05:16 PM   #46
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  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  rc51 Aprilia rsv
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:That's almost exactly how it happened.

Nowhere for her to go, he jumped a few lanes over to try and ram her, then tried to ram her again and forced her over to the shoulder, she barely got off her bike before he was in her face shoving her, she shoved back then the guy got her to the ground and was beating her head into the pavement then dragged her by the helmet over to the median and was trying to punch and grab her throat when she opened fire. She's 100% justified in self defense. Apparently all brought on because she was weaving and it pissed him off.:

Too many holes in the story, somebody trys to ram me they get shrinking tail lights cause im out of there, so the cager had room to swerve lanes but she didnt have room for her bike to exit he situation?? Ive spent a fair amount of my life in traffic and there has always been room to lane split or emergency lane or just find room in an emergency. Most all women are afraid of bieng attacked imo she only stoped beacause She had a weapon bad decision all around and im sure they would both take it back if they had the opportunity.

Edited by unicykle on Feb 9th 2018 at 05:19 PM
Feb 9th 2018, 05:18 PM   #47
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle, WA

  KTM 990 Adventure
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Originally Posted by Nathan
she had time to GTFO while the guy was stopped in the car and opening the door to get out...could've GTFO at 10mph!
I'm sorry, but riding away in rush hour traffic on a day where there's zero chance her tires were up to temp is more dangerous than it sounds. The guy created this situation by getting out of his car and then threw the first punch. I don't think it's too far fetched to think he'd chase her on the shoulder at that point. You're suggesting this young woman endanger herself by riding away from what she probably assumed would be a verbal altercation, and that's not terribly fair.

And to the folks asking what she did to provoke it, I can't help but draw parallels to "but what was she wearing?". It's the same logic. She wasn't committing a crime, and had no duty to run away. A man attacked her on the highway and got shot for it. That she wasn't arrested (detained, not arrested) should be a pretty significant indicator that what she did was legal, or very close to it.
Feb 9th 2018, 05:24 PM   #48
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:That's almost exactly how it happened.

Nowhere for her to go, he jumped a few lanes over to try and ram her, then tried to ram her again and forced her over to the shoulder, she barely got off her bike before he was in her face shoving her, she shoved back then the guy got her to the ground and was beating her head into the pavement then dragged her by the helmet over to the median and was trying to punch and grab her throat when she opened fire. She's 100% justified in self defense. Apparently all brought on because she was weaving and it pissed him off.:

Too many holes in the story, somebody trys to ram me they get shrinking tail lights cause im out of there, so the cager had room to swerve lanes but she didnt have room for her bike to exit he situation?? Ive spent a fair amount of my life in traffic and there has always been room to lane split or emergency lane or just find room in an emergency. Most all women are afraid of bieng attacked imo she only stoped beacause She had a weapon bad decision all around and im sure they would both take it back if they had the opportunity.
same here, spent enough time in fucking traffic to know there's always room to GTFO. been there done that

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I'm sorry, but riding away in rush hour traffic on a day where there's zero chance her tires were up to temp is more dangerous than it sounds. The guy created this situation by getting out of his car and then threw the first punch. I don't think it's too far fetched to think he'd chase her on the shoulder at that point. You're suggesting this young woman endanger herself by riding away from what she probably assumed would be a verbal altercation, and that's not terribly fair.

And to the folks asking what she did to provoke it, I can't help but draw parallels to "but what was she wearing?". It's the same logic. She wasn't committing a crime, and had no duty to run away. A man attacked her on the highway and got shot for it. That she wasn't arrested (detained, not arrested) should be a pretty significant indicator that what she did was legal, or very close to it.
tires up to temp??? what!?!?
Biggest mistake she made is stopping and getting off her bike...
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Feb 9th 2018, 05:34 PM   #49
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle, WA

  KTM 990 Adventure
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Originally Posted by Nathan
tires up to temp??? what!?!?
Biggest mistake she made is stopping and getting off her bike...
Sitting in gridlock keeps tires from getting warm and sticky. Maneuvering on cold tires in a situation where you're fleeing someone who means you harm is asking for trouble. Go hop on a sportbike right now and try panic braking. I've watched people go down because of much smaller mistakes. There's a reason driver's ed teaches you to stop on the side of the road. It's because you're likely to hurt yourself while fleeing.
Feb 9th 2018, 05:41 PM   #50
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  02 R1
Its easy to monday morning QB this whole thing, what she should have done, or not have done... the fact is she stopped where she was being forced to by being pushed off the road in rush hour, got off her bike, and immediately had a 60 yr old man in her face shoving her and beating her... it happened in seconds. She was lucky as fuck the guy didn't knock her off and run her over initially.

The fact the wife just sat in the car and didn't stop him makes me think he's done that before, and she's tried before... and realized she'd rather not be the focus of his anger... who knows.
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Feb 9th 2018, 05:49 PM   #51
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  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeBlue
Sitting in gridlock keeps tires from getting warm and sticky. Maneuvering on cold tires in a situation where you're fleeing someone who means you harm is asking for trouble. Go hop on a sportbike right now and try panic braking. I've watched people go down because of much smaller mistakes. There's a reason driver's ed teaches you to stop on the side of the road. It's because you're likely to hurt yourself while fleeing.
Tires are never at optimum temp on the street but new day street tires dont require heat to deliver most all their grip so i call bs on tire temp and were not talking braking were talking leaving, even in a driving rain there is enough grip to power wheelie without spinning up the back
It is east to speculate as to what couldve and shouldve happend but its done and lets
Learn from it
Im done
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Edited by unicykle on Feb 9th 2018 at 05:54 PM
Feb 9th 2018, 05:50 PM   #52
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
SO much to speculate on, maybe the guy's wife and her were in cahoots and are splitting the life insurance! Sheesh, only 2 people in the universe know the whole story and motivations and one of them is a corpse who is not talking much.

I respect women who ride; this includes my wife, daughter, granddaughter. Some of them CCW. Hard to say how I would feel. One thing I noticed that seemed to stand out to me in 2 different news videos I looked at showed WHAT APPEARED TO BE the officers looking very closely at the front wheel of her bike. Maybe there had been contact between the vehicles or suspected...

Glad I don't have to deal with that kind of traffic and mass mentality, though a lot of crazies come from the wide open spaces too.
Feb 9th 2018, 05:55 PM   #53
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle, WA

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Originally Posted by unicykle
Tires are never at optimum temp on the street but new day street tires dont require heat to deliver most all their grip so i call bs on tire temp and were not talking braking were talking leaving, even in a driving rain there is enough grip to power wheelie without spinning up the back
While perfectly upright, yeah. Not if you're leaned over more than about 10 degrees. I had the back end of my R6 wander off on me on a summer day just turning left at a traffic light from too much throttle. I don't share your confidence.

Plus it's not her job to run away. It's his job to not attack someone.
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Feb 9th 2018, 06:16 PM   #54
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
In other news, a rider tried to exit a situation, was chased, run over and killed by a driver, who got only 6 years jail time:

Woman gets 6 years for road rage crash that killed Navy officer | fox5sandiego.com
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Feb 9th 2018, 08:25 PM   #55
 
  Jan 2016
  Lynnwood WA

  2007 Yamaha FZ6, 2008 Aprilia Tuono & 2009 Yamaha WR250R
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Originally Posted by paradox206
I have serious road rage issues when I drive a cage and I've gotten out of my car before in 520 traffic to yell at someone behind me. I've talked to a shrink about it and I also keep my driving a cage to a minimum because I'm ashamed of my past road rage actions. I also recognize this rage inside of me and I'd never carry because of it (not to say I'd actually do something crazy, but it's just for the best).

Thankfully being on my moto makes me all zen, but I recognize that there are people like me out there and it's best to avoid them if all possible. I wouldn't begin to speculate if this could have been avoided, but it's a shame that someone is dead over traffic and poor choices. Such is life I guess...
Other than the 520 stop, I could have easily written this about myself.
Feb 9th 2018, 08:27 PM   #56
 
  Jan 2016
  Lynnwood WA

  2007 Yamaha FZ6, 2008 Aprilia Tuono & 2009 Yamaha WR250R
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
I've noticed that many of the people who want to conceal carry are the exact type of person who shouldn't be allowed to.
I remember back in my early 20's when a buddy said he couldn't wait to get his CWP for when he went out drinking and I'm like WTF? Do I have a CWP? Yup, had it for years. Do I carry all the time? Hell no.
Feb 9th 2018, 09:03 PM   #57
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

If she has talked about flashing her gun in traffic I wonder if that was part of it? Perhaps made a gun toward him with her hand or actually flashing her piece while they were still moving or some other form of aggression? Not justifying his actions any more than hers but I will say it would make sense that she would be less inclined to run and more inclined to confront since she was packing. Particularly if she has shown it in traffic before.
I am sure there will be more to come in this but it may be YEARS before any of that comes to light.

On the 'hot tire' comment:
If your tires are THAT greasy on the street when they are 'not hot' you need to check the date on them and/or get a better compound.

Been riding for 50 years and can say even on crappy tires a bike should be able to get away from a car causing you trouble in freeway traffic. Turn around and go the opposite direction on the side if you have to. Better than the nightmare she will be enduring for YEARS.

Then again, maybe he actually bumped her and she stopped to get the cops and insurance involved and it took off from there...
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Feb 9th 2018, 11:54 PM   #58
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  Sep 2016
  Stanwood

  2013 Aprilia Tuono
There was a report that the guy in the SUV had a dash cam. The cops reviewed the footage, and reported that the SUV driver was the aggressor. Probably why they released her from custody.
Feb 10th 2018, 12:25 PM   #59
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  02 R1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parilla125
If she has talked about flashing her gun in traffic I wonder if that was part of it? Perhaps made a gun toward him with her hand or actually flashing her piece while they were still moving or some other form of aggression? Not justifying his actions any more than hers but I will say it would make sense that she would be less inclined to run and more inclined to confront since she was packing. Particularly if she has shown it in traffic before.
I am sure there will be more to come in this but it may be YEARS before any of that comes to light.

On the 'hot tire' comment:
If your tires are THAT greasy on the street when they are 'not hot' you need to check the date on them and/or get a better compound.

Been riding for 50 years and can say even on crappy tires a bike should be able to get away from a car causing you trouble in freeway traffic. Turn around and go the opposite direction on the side if you have to. Better than the nightmare she will be enduring for YEARS.

Then again, maybe he actually bumped her and she stopped to get the cops and insurance involved and it took off from there...
From what I understand, she was weaving through traffic prior to the incident. To what extent I don't know. She could have been taking it easy filtering through, or being a complete asshole. I didn't see it and I got that part of the story 2nd hand. Either way, she pissed this guy off enough to make him go after her.

That said. She caught up to traffic and was stopped behind a car when the confrontation happened. She didn't even know he was coming at her until he pulled up beside her on the shoulder. Apparently, according to witnesses, he cut across a couple lanes to chase her and cut off a bunch of people to get to to the shoulder. When he stopped, she started to get off her bike and by the time she got the kick stand down he was in her face shoving her. She shoved back and he went full psycho and started beating on her. She had nowhere to go from the sound of it. The view from the chopper was not how the scene played out, vehicles had moved from the time of contact.
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Feb 10th 2018, 01:46 PM   #60
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
if she's out walking around, the cops damn sure made up their minds that she was not the cause of this thing. they don't goof around with people getting shot on I-5 in rush hour, on the news.

they probably know more about this than we do.
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