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View Poll Results: How to finish the project
Make it a STREETFIGHTER!!!! 5 17.24%
Go with the an aftermarket fairing kit, but not that crap from eBay! 14 48.28%
Source OEM fairings 7 24.14%
Just push it off a cliff, you've already wasted too much time on that pile 3 10.34%
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Apr 4th 2016, 03:49 PM   #1
 Pavement Tested's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 ZG1400, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
Looking for some opinions on how to finish a flip project

Got a project '07 Ninja 650R around a year ago. Intensions were to fix it, clean it up and sell it. It needed extensive work to run again (i.e. lower engine cases). Short version is the bike is back together and running. I've put about 200 miles on it so far and it's really fun to ride due to it's lighter weight and being slightly underpowered. It's kind of fun to ride a bike that you can throw around while giving it handfuls of throttle and not really have to worry about traction issues or bringing the front end up.

The fairings that were on it are all busted up beyond repair on both sides and therefore not usable. The fuel tank is black and the fairing are blue so I don't want to use them anyway. I'd like it to be all one color.

I bought one of those El Cheap-O Chinese fairing kits off of eBay. It came today and I'm far less than satisfied with the kit. I was not expecting OEM quality or finish but was expecting it to be somewhere in the neighborhood. This stuff isn't even in the came city. I won't get into all of the details but I'm not happy. I'm returning the kit because the seller has a 100% satisfaction guarantee.

So, here's what I'm looking for: How should I finish this project to make it more desirable in order to sell it?

If you were in the market for a beginner-ish bike (ok, beginner, there's nothing threatening about this bike), are you more likely to look at bike that had fairings on it and was now a "street fighter" or a bike that had low quality replacement fairings?

Basically, what would make you walk away, make you think about it and make you say yes to a potential bike?

Edited by Pavement Tested on Apr 4th 2016 at 03:53 PM
Apr 4th 2016, 03:55 PM   #2
 Red Label Moto's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
Find a better fairing kit with a decent non-offensive paint scheme and bolt it on there. No flames or tribal signs or Monster Energy endorsements. No mating panda bears. Yes I had a Ninja 250R that had mating panda bears.

No spikes affixing the windshield. Actually, no spikes period. No stickers or decals on the windshield.

A Ninja 650R without fairings looks pretty un-dope. Kids don't like un-dope. They like dope.

lol
Apr 4th 2016, 04:08 PM   #3
 Pavement Tested's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 ZG1400, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
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Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
Find a better fairing kit with a decent non-offensive paint scheme and bolt it on there. No flames or tribal signs or Monster Energy endorsements. No mating panda bears. Yes I had a Ninja 250R that had mating panda bears.

No spikes affixing the windshield. Actually, no spikes period. No stickers or decals on the windshield.

A Ninja 650R without fairings looks pretty un-dope. Kids don't like un-dope. They like dope.

lol
You're actually one of the folks I was hoping would chime in. The kit I got was all black. I intentionally avoided the tribal, flames and monster stuff. I would have definitely gotten the mating panda bear stuff if I had seen it. Spike and such are a definite no for me.

Do you have a recommended source or company for fairings? The 650R is a little difficult to find aftermarket stuff for.

Edited by Pavement Tested on Apr 4th 2016 at 04:13 PM
Apr 4th 2016, 04:28 PM   #4
 Red Label Moto's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavement Tested
You're actually one of the folks I was hoping would chime in. The kit I got was all black. I intentionally avoided the tribal, flames and monster stuff. I would have definitely gotten the mating panda bear stuff if I had seen it. Spike and such are a definite no for me.

Do you have a recommended source or company for fairings? The 650R is a little difficult to find aftermarket stuff for.
Rebuilding crashers on the cheap to resell is not in my usual bag of tricks. Any rebuild I ever get into is for my own pain/suffering/enjoyment of the end product. In those scenarios the financial "return" ends up being negative haha.

I don't have a recommendation for fairing kits sorry. Ask Mike Castro... he likes to roll around in the mud! heh

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Apr 4th 2016, 06:21 PM   #5
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

  Yamaha FZ-07
What, no photos of what it is now? I would love to see what it looks like.
Apr 4th 2016, 08:19 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
I don't have a recommendation for fairing kits sorry. Ask Mike Castro... he likes to roll around in the mud! heh

Apr 4th 2016, 09:11 PM   #7
 Pavement Tested's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 ZG1400, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
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What, no photos of what it is now? I would love to see what it looks like.
This is all I really have at the moment. I figured that because I wasn't going to use the old plastics I didn't waste time putting the tail stuff back on. I have put some of the fill panels back on and am going to put the tail stuff back on until I figure out what I wanna do.



I made a temp bracket to hold the headlight because of how it all mounts to the fairing stay. The sail panels provide much of the structural support for the headlight.
Apr 4th 2016, 09:25 PM   #8
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
Ask Mike Castro... he likes to roll around in the mud! heh

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Lolololol. This guy knows what he's talking about. No streetfighter. It'll take forever to sell
Apr 4th 2016, 10:09 PM   #9
 
  Jan 2016
  Newcastle, WA

  1995 Suzuki Katana
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Originally Posted by Wyckedan
Lolololol. This guy knows what he's talking about. No streetfighter. It'll take forever to sell
The sad part is if he did put on the Panda/Moster/Flame bodywork it would probably sell to some kid in about 30 minutes after being posted on CL.

Looks sell to that demographic, they (most) don't have a clue about quality.
Apr 4th 2016, 11:03 PM   #10
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Leave it as is minus the headlight and throw a round one on it. Bar end mirrors and good to go! Worth a shot and lot's less work than getting different fairings, painting them, bla, bla, bla.
Apr 5th 2016, 12:38 AM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Arlington

  '16 ZX-14R SE (Harambike), '08 ZX-10R (The Son of a Bitch), 03 R6 (...), and the HAWG TY.
Give it to me.

I'll streetfighter it.

All of my fighters have sold for at or above book.

Totes legit.
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Apr 5th 2016, 01:59 AM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Beijing

  Honda CBF190R
I had success with an el cheepo fairing set from China... Try again. Or explain what exactly sucked about your kit... Fitment of the crap plastic is a labor, but once it's all together, it doesn't look terrible... Which is what you're after for a flip project. Why are you so unhappy with what you paid for?


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Apr 5th 2016, 07:18 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  '12 ZG1400, '08 GSX1300R, '06 GSX-R 750
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Originally Posted by galenernest
I had success with an el cheepo fairing set from China... Try again. Or explain what exactly sucked about your kit... Fitment of the crap plastic is a labor, but once it's all together, it doesn't look terrible... Which is what you're after for a flip project. Why are you so unhappy with what you paid for?


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Issues:
Pre-drilled holes - they are either not the correct size or are not in the correct location. That's no a super big deal as I can run a drill but when the hole is supposed to be ~9/16" and it's >1/4"... you get the point

Locating barbs and tabs - the locating barbs that go into grommets on the side tail pieces are WAY to big. The barb won't go in the hole with the grommet removed. They are also located about 1/4" out of place. This is going to put undue stress on the barbs or the mounting points at the rear of the pieces and eventually they will break. The locating barbs on the front panels are too small and do nothing to retain the panels. Some locating tabs are not even on the new stuff.

Poor packing - caused both the right upper and lower fairings to get scratched. The upper is actually gouged into the plastic. The box was not crushed so it was a result of not enough packing material between the pieces.

In fill panels - they're all crap. Molded incorrectly with tabs and locating holes in the wrong place.

Headlight fairing - the mounting tabs are too narrow to accept the metal clips for the retaining bolts to hold the headlight so it's either shave the clips or find new clips and potentially bolts if the thread pitch is different.

I'm not looking to spend a whole day getting these fairings to fit through alteration to find out they do not line up when on the bike. I won't be able to return them if I alter them.
Apr 5th 2016, 07:22 AM   #14
 DocB's Avatar
 
  Feb 2016
  Poulsbo, WA

  Aprilia RSV Mille, CB77 (AMA Nat'l landspeed record holder), CB750K, CB750F
Seems like it would be easier to get a higher price with fairings, even less than perfect ones. How bad are the original fairings? Are they just cracked and scuffed, or missing chunks? I've done a fair bit of plastic welding and it's possible to get a lot of beat up fairings back in decent shape with some welding and filler. But it can take some time to complete the repair and refinish. A day spent fitting Chinese fairings might be a better choice than three spent repairing the old ones.

On any flip you have to decide how much your labor is worth. I'd look at the value guides to help me decide whether I would make more money putting in minimal labor and accepting low retail, or spending a lot more time to get it into good enough shape to get as close as possible to high retail. In the case of this bike the difference in valuation between low and high is about $800-$1000 and it might be most profitable to sell as is. On some old collectibles like the CB77 I'm restoring it might make more sense to put in the extra labor as the difference between fair and excellent is more like $2k-4K.
Apr 5th 2016, 07:42 AM   #15
DGA
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  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
There seems to be a decent OEM fairing supply on Ebay. You could probably piecemeal a single color set too. Not the cheapest route, but it'll look decent at the end.
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