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Aug 23rd 2018, 03:16 PM   #16
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Long but detailed. Bloomberg Businessweek:

Harley-Davidson Needs a New Generation of Riders.

https://www.bloomberg.com/businessweek

Click on link then click on picture.

Edited by MMcN49 on Aug 23rd 2018 at 03:58 PM
Aug 23rd 2018, 04:23 PM   #17
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That's the 1977 XLCR. I'd be curious to know what it is you like about it.
1) It's badass (for a Harley). Same reason I like a 1290 Superduke, a ZX14, my old RC51, my old XR400, and, most of all, my 1979 Daytona RD400.

2) everything else - It's a motorcycle a person could ride. "Forward controls" is the worst idea in motorcycling since granny's rocker. also, it has brakes, handlebars that make sense, it looks like the Bat Bike, and it doesn't weigh 700 pounds.

Everyone has an opinion on HD. Mine is - If they put a 1200 Sporty motor (could they lighten that thing up by maybe 25 pounds?) into a UJM kinda frame (a "standard" riding position) and kept it simple and fun, then maybe they could attract the "new rider" they are after. maybe.

Or if they went smaller, lighter, and created that new niche we all know is coming - the more-than-a-mountain-bike-but-less-than-a-bigass-motorcycle, like they have hinted at, that would also rock.

i read an interesting piece today that said that (in the authors opinion) maybe the youngsters don't actually want a "motorcycle lifestyle", which is precisely what HD sells. Maybe HD was TOO successful at the black tee shirt thing. Maybe the youngsters don't want to do ginormous group rides to collect money for teddy bears on their way to eat cheeseburgers and drink beers and smoke cigarettes with 65 old gray dudes they don't really know.

Maybe they don't want everything in their house (shared apartment?) to have a HD logo on it. Maybe they just want a cool, cheap, fun bike. Remember when motorcycles were a cheap alternative transport? What's a new 'Glide cost these days? Or a used one?

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Aug 23rd 2018, 04:42 PM   #18
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It seems to lean unlike any Harley I've ever ridden!?



Fixed.
Aug 23rd 2018, 06:21 PM   #19
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Pushrods?!?!
LOL troof. But hey! They are coming out with a Street fighter and adventure bike based on a water cooled 1200. Probably won't come up to the competition (BMW, KTM and Ducati) but they're headed in new directions. Do I want any HD? Not for $20,000+.....,well if they did come out with a Ultra Electric Glide with bigger floorboards, Indians GPS info screen, Goldwings reverse and 20% more power I'd be ready to spend the money I'm going to spend on my next touring bike

Edited by Skiffman on Aug 23rd 2018 at 07:18 PM
Aug 23rd 2018, 10:23 PM   #20
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It seems to lean much farther than any Harley I've ever ridden!?
Is this what's called "damning with faint praise"?
Aug 23rd 2018, 10:27 PM   #21
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It just bugs you because it has forward controls, lol.
On a track.

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Aluminum subframe and swingarm! Composite rear fender, lightweight wheels dry weight of 637 lbs!!
Aug 24th 2018, 12:04 PM   #22
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  Apr 2018
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I’ve tried to get on board a few times, I remember drooling over the XLCR when I was a kid. And I would consider something again that wasn’t geared toward “Hell’s Realtors”, “Sons of Ibuprofen”, or “Mike and Cindy Walletchain”. But I have no desire to own a ST, ADV or anything else they come up with that has an engine that sounds like a cross between a garden tractor and a stuck kitchen drawer.
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Aug 24th 2018, 12:58 PM   #23
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It just bugs you because it has forward controls, lol. 114 cubic inches of jet fighter thrust! Aluminum subframe and swingarm! Composite rear fender, lightweight wheels dry weight of 637 lbs!!
yeah foot forward controls..quite possibly the worst positioning possible on a motorcycle for control or in case of a down...114ci of John Deere thrust..John Deere doesn't make jets and it might well worth noting that jets aren't slow...I don't know of anyone other than a Harley devotee that would consider 637lbs. "light" or not one heavy piece of (insert insult here)....

nice try..but that's NOT what the haters are looking for...
Aug 24th 2018, 01:23 PM   #24
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yeah foot forward controls..quite possibly the worst positioning possible on a motorcycle for control or in case of a down...114ci of John Deere thrust..John Deere doesn't make jets and it might well worth noting that jets aren't slow...I don't know of anyone other than a Harley devotee that would consider 637lbs. "light" or not one heavy piece of (insert insult here)....

nice try..but that's NOT what the haters are looking for...
Probably there was one engineering team in Harley that designed aluminum subframe, and another that designed the process of filling it with cast led, by request from the marketing department.
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Aug 24th 2018, 02:25 PM   #25
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1) It's badass (for a Harley). Same reason I like a 1290 Superduke, a ZX14, my old RC51, my old XR400, and, most of all, my 1979 Daytona RD400.
Perhaps for a purely eye-candy value of badass. Your question was "how freaking hard would it be for them to build another". Well nobody bought it the first time and the reviews were terrible. It didn't handle and it didn't perform. I thought that's what people wanted Harley to *stop* doing.
Aug 24th 2018, 02:28 PM   #26
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On a track
I'll bet you can't keep up with this guy on his forward control motorcycle on a track?!

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Aug 24th 2018, 04:29 PM   #27
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Isn’t that a Gurney Gator? One reason there are so many different motorcycles is, big surprise, not all people like the same motorcycles! Of course anyone that likes a different style bike than me is wrong!
I have been fortunate in that I like them all and find them all fun to ride no matter what style. I particularly enjoy the smaller displacement ones though I have had a ZX14R and a bunch of ‘bigger’ bikes including a couple HD’s, one being a hard tail chopper back in the early 80’s.
I would still like to see a modern street two stroke come along!
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Aug 24th 2018, 05:28 PM   #28
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It didn't handle and it didn't perform.
Neither did the "Gullepumpe", the German nickname for the Honda CX/GL500 transverse v-twin, and they sold them way more than I would have ever guessed...in standards, customs, quasi-tourers, and of course the CX Turbo, which did at least accelerate well. Canada even got a "Eurosport". IMHO it's still large following is due to the unusual, quiet, and extremely well engineered motor.

Put the V-Rod motor in an updated XLCR chassis and I would at least come around to kick the tires. Put it in a Sport (Senior) Tourer and I'll bring the check book.
Aug 24th 2018, 05:59 PM   #29
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This is all they really need to make.
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Aug 27th 2018, 12:50 AM   #30
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