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Jan 13th 2019, 08:48 PM   #16
 tod701's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

Just got back from Tel Aviv.
Filtering would be so cool here.
Lane splitting gets nuts there, but it is sorta optional.
I saw one non-serious slow speed wad-up in a week.
Jan 14th 2019, 08:22 AM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Here

There's also the pannier issue. Was riding in town with mine mounted yesterday; takes a lot of practice to know where you can fit. Got a new little scuff or two just getting down the driveway. I can see why the cops use the skinny ones. Even if they're no wider than your bars, they're still lower and if you're in any kind of turn the back won't have the same line as the front at low speed. So basically we're talking tankbag and topcase only if you're gonna get in the habit of filtering.
Jan 14th 2019, 08:40 AM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  Daytona 675R
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Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
There's also the pannier issue. Was riding in town with mine mounted yesterday; takes a lot of practice to know where you can fit. Got a new little scuff or two just getting down the driveway. I can see why the cops use the skinny ones. Even if they're no wider than your bars, they're still lower and if you're in any kind of turn the back won't have the same line as the front at low speed. So basically we're talking tankbag and topcase only if you're gonna get in the habit of filtering.
Depends where you do it. I often go through downtown Bellevue and there's plenty of room for a Gold Wing at most stoplights. There would also be plenty of room between the 405 express lanes and the normal left lane (between the double white), which in CA is the "motorcycle express lane."
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Jan 16th 2019, 05:32 AM   #19
 tod701's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

Introduced yesterday:

SB5254 motorcycle freeway shoulder riding

Senate Bill SB5254 would allow motorcyclists to use the left shoulder of freeways to overtake other vehicle at no more than 10 miles per hour faster than the traffic and at no more than 25 miles per hour.

It would also require that motorcyclists be allowed to ride on the shoulder any time that transit vehicles are allowed to drive on the shoulder.

And finally it would make it a traffic infraction for anyone to interfere with the motorcyclist while he is using the shoulder.

Link

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?B...alse&Year=2019
Jan 16th 2019, 06:16 AM   #20
 
  Apr 2016
  WA

It is a start I guess.

Prevents the 70mph rear endings but not the 25mph red light rear endings.
Jan 16th 2019, 07:17 AM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
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Originally Posted by Ryanthegreat1
It is a start I guess.

Prevents the 70mph rear endings but not the 25mph red light rear endings.
Not to be a snot or troll, but do you have any hard statistical data to support your concerns about rear endings, both in traffic or at lights, or are they more based on personal feelings and anecdotal lore? If you do have hard data then I need the sourcing ASAP, but if it is anecdotal or gut feelings, you need to be very careful in how you present that in a policy debate. Make sure that you allow a disclaimer such as "from my point of view it seems" or "I have a friend who had this happen to them."
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Jan 16th 2019, 07:28 AM   #22
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  Feb 2016
  Bellingham, WA

  Yamaha FZ-07
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Originally Posted by Texasl
Not to be a snot or troll, but do you have any hard statistical data to support your concerns about rear endings, both in traffic or at lights, or are they more based on personal feelings and anecdotal lore? If you do have hard data then I need the sourcing ASAP, but if it is anecdotal or gut feelings, you need to be very careful in how you present that in a policy debate. Make sure that you allow a disclaimer such as "from my point of view it seems" or "I have a friend who had this happen to them."
Here is an article that might help.
https://www.americanmotorcyclist.com...r-in-traffic-1
Jan 16th 2019, 08:18 AM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  Daytona 675R
Just off the top of my head, there's our local forum member (sorry, I forget his name) aka "illegal gravel guy" that was recently killed while stopped at a red light.

I do appreciate all your hard work Tex, and this bill is a good start on improving rider safety.
Jan 16th 2019, 09:37 AM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
Yesss, the "ride on the shoulder" starter bill is back. Better than nothing. I'm all for it.
Jan 16th 2019, 10:50 AM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Here

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Originally Posted by tod701
And finally it would make it a traffic infraction for anyone to interfere with the motorcyclist while he is using the shoulder.
Heh. On a long downhill single-lane tailback near Beaverton at evening rush hour I decided I wasn't serving any purpose by occupying a car length and started filtering down the side. Some guy halfway down sees me in his rearview and goes utterly nucking futs, whaling on his horn and J-turning like a fiend trying to turn his car sideways to block me. Doesn't have the room and I float on by giving him my friendliest grin.

Get to the stop sign at the main drag, stop, and in a moment there's a leftie opportunity no car not made by (e.g.) Ariel, Tesla or Bugatti would ever be able to use and I'm gone, having inconvenienced precisely no-one.
Jan 16th 2019, 09:19 PM   #26
 
  Jan 2016
  Gig Harbor

  BMW F650GS / BMW R12R
Quote:
Originally Posted by tod701
Introduced yesterday:

SB5254 motorcycle freeway shoulder riding

Senate Bill SB5254 would allow motorcyclists to use the left shoulder of freeways to overtake other vehicle at no more than 10 miles per hour faster than the traffic and at no more than 25 miles per hour.

It would also require that motorcyclists be allowed to ride on the shoulder any time that transit vehicles are allowed to drive on the shoulder.

And finally it would make it a traffic infraction for anyone to interfere with the motorcyclist while he is using the shoulder.

Link

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?B...alse&Year=2019
During her campaign I spoke to Senator Emily Randall (26th District, Kitsap/Pierce counties) to ask for her support for a lane sharing bill. She was open to doing so. I submitted a comment on SB5254 reiterating my earlier request. The more that she (and other legislators) hear from us, the better the chances will be.
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Jan 17th 2019, 04:13 PM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Quote:
Originally Posted by tod701
Introduced yesterday:

SB5254 motorcycle freeway shoulder riding

Senate Bill SB5254 would allow motorcyclists to use the left shoulder of freeways to overtake other vehicle at no more than 10 miles per hour faster than the traffic and at no more than 25 miles per hour.

It would also require that motorcyclists be allowed to ride on the shoulder any time that transit vehicles are allowed to drive on the shoulder.

And finally it would make it a traffic infraction for anyone to interfere with the motorcyclist while he is using the shoulder.

Link

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?B...alse&Year=2019

Don't see anything about using the left shoulder to overtake other vehicles. It says "...except on the left-hand side of a vehicle traveling in the left-most lane of traffic...". Sounds that you can pass on the left even if there isn't a left shoulder available.

In section 1 subsection 4, it sounds like they may let riders ride two abreast. Anybody (Larry?), want to check if that would be legal for non-LEO riders if this bill passes?


Full text of the bill
Jan 17th 2019, 04:36 PM   #28
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
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Originally Posted by Chrishil54
Don't see anything about using the left shoulder to overtake other vehicles. It says "...except on the left-hand side of a vehicle traveling in the left-most lane of traffic...". Sounds that you can pass on the left even if there isn't a left shoulder available.

In section 1 subsection 4, it sounds like they may let riders ride two abreast. Anybody (Larry?), want to check if that would be legal for non-LEO riders if this bill passes?


Full text of the bill
RCW 46.61.608 already allows motorcycles to operate 2 abreast. You just cannot pass another rider in the same lane.

RCW 46.61.608
Operating motorcycles on roadways laned for traffic.
(1) All motorcycles are entitled to full use of a lane and no motor vehicle shall be driven in such a manner as to deprive any motorcycle of the full use of a lane. This subsection shall not apply to motorcycles operated two abreast in a single lane.
(2) The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken. However, this subsection shall not apply when the operator of a motorcycle overtakes and passes a pedestrian or bicyclist while maintaining a safe passing distance of at least three feet.
(3) No person shall operate a motorcycle between lanes of traffic or between adjacent lines or rows of vehicles.
(4) Motorcycles shall not be operated more than two abreast in a single lane.
(5) Subsections (2) and (3) of this section shall not apply to police officers in the performance of their official duties.
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Jan 20th 2019, 11:31 PM   #29
 
  Jan 2016
  Newcastle, WA

  1995 Suzuki Katana
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Originally Posted by mgfchapin
Just off the top of my head, there's our local forum member (sorry, I forget his name) aka "illegal gravel guy" that was recently killed while stopped at a red light.

I do appreciate all your hard work Tex, and this bill is a good start on improving rider safety.
Nothing to do with a traffic light, was just stopped to make a left and got smashed.

Username on PNWR was Adidasguy

Motorcyclist dies in car accident on Vashon Highway | Updated | Vashon-Maury Island Beachcomber
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Jan 21st 2019, 07:35 AM   #30
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
Heh. On a long downhill single-lane tailback near Beaverton at evening rush hour I decided I wasn't serving any purpose by occupying a car length and started filtering down the side. Some guy halfway down sees me in his rearview and goes utterly nucking futs, whaling on his horn and J-turning like a fiend trying to turn his car sideways to block me. Doesn't have the room and I float on by giving him my friendliest grin.

Get to the stop sign at the main drag, stop, and in a moment there's a leftie opportunity no car not made by (e.g.) Ariel, Tesla or Bugatti would ever be able to use and I'm gone, having inconvenienced precisely no-one.
This will be my fear if it ever gets passed. Some cager opening their door, turning into me or other. I already had a guy go 'crazy' on me for going around everybody on a two lane left turn off of a light. Passed three cars, merged left with lot's of room to spare and entered the freeway. Hit the carpool lane, got in cruise mode with traffic when this vehicle suddenly cuts over from two lanes away, gets in front of me and slams on the brakes. After two of those he cuts all the way over to the other side and takes the exit. I follow.
Stupid, I know.
No altercation but I did get him to admit it was road rage from me 'getting in front' of the group. He was embarrassed about it but I doubt that lasted long.
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