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Jan 7th 2019, 11:47 AM   #46
 craiger's Avatar
  Apr 2016

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Kevin, what a genius take. Couldn't have said it better myself. I was on the Polar Bear ride with my brother and his buddy this last week. Both fella's are on late model FJR's. I'm on a late model, automatic VFR. I do not partake in ostracizing riders for what they ride. I might begrudge a rider for his apparel (or lack thereof), but I refuse to be divisive. What's the point? Anyway, both my brother and his buddy mercilessly mocked all the Harley riders as inferior riders in skill, etc. I just didn't get it. I did not attempt to dissuade them from their "fun", but I did not attempt to quell their animosity either. I kinda regret that. I said that I don't care what you ride as long as you ride, we all share the same experiences whilst riding, etc, but received blank stares (as in, "say what?"), and I proceeded to STFU.

In this day and age of political name calling and divisiveness, I just decided to let it go and try to enjoy the ride. What's a guy to do? I know ya can't please everyone all the time, but I'm also only 1 guy. What can I do? Prejudice is learned. I don't feel like it's my responsibility to "learn" everyone. Else I be the one on the other side of the fence. Coward's way out, maybe. But life is short. I don't have time. I just wanna ride. Fuck prejudice people.
Jan 7th 2019, 12:57 PM   #47
 liberpolly's Avatar
  Jan 2016

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
I think they are complete idiots. And, really, they aren't in my "tribe" because I don't hold to a specific brand. As I have mentioned many times in other threads I was once part of the anti-Harley faction. Hated the things. But then I grew up, and realized that they fit into a place that only they can. I found that many of those aspects that anti-Harley people berate, are exactly the things that make them appealing to the people that buy them. Then I started really looking, and started to find things that, for me at times, makes a Harley a "better" bike.

As far as the attitudes of those Harley riders you speak of, in all my years of owning Harleys, and attending events, I have rarely encountered it. In all of the charity rides I've been on they have all have a wide variety of machinery. From Big twins to Sportsters, from Honda Shadows to ZX-10s. Sure, the forums are full of that crap, but the opposite is true on this forum as well.

My point has always been, on this forum and the Harley ones I'm part of, that we should all strive to be "motorcyclists", people that love motorcycles in all their styles and brands. We should support those people that ride, no matter what they choose to ride. And we should never berate a person based on the brand, or model, they choose. It's one thing to share why you may not like a certain bike, but it's another thing to demean someone for choosing a bike you don't like. Just look at what was said by that other member. He basically said it's his responsibility to shoot down anyone that has the audacity to claim that a Harley is "favorable". That goes beyond saying that he doesn't care for them.

Either we can strive to build the community of riders, or we can allow it to be torn down.
if you are referring to me I said absolutely nothing of the sorts, but at this point, trying to break through to you seems utterly futile.
Jan 7th 2019, 03:38 PM   #48
 Sentinel's Avatar
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Damn, peeps. Ur all missing the point about vehicles in general, and bikes in particular: you WEAR your vehicle. It is part of your IDENTITY. It shows the world how you want to be seen AS A PERSON.

So when you trash someone's bike, they perceive it as a personal thing, even if they don't consciously become aware of that. This is emotional, down in the Id, Jungian stuff.

This is why ads work, because they attack you at an unconscious, emotional level. They purposefully by-pass your rational mind and send symbolic messages to your Id. They call it influence, and that's a precise term. It is an in-flowing of information that they want in your guts, where it affects you but you aren't aware of it.

So this bike-attacking business hits us right there, on our identity button. It is dead-center in the ego construct, which is why people respond emotionally and rational arguments never, ever persuade anyone.

But the thing is, knowing this you can shape your point in a way that doesn't trigger automatic fear/anger responses. All you have to do is stay right where the actual debate is, in the emotions and subjective feelings.

You might say, "My Sporty makes me feel like fucking James Dean, which is why I like it." and zero motherfuckers could argue. All they could say, which would be true, would be what I would say, "My big-ass Kawasaki land-speeder makes me feel like fucking Superman flying three feet off the ground, which is why I like it."

And then you'd do some shots.

Edited by Sentinel on Jan 7th 2019 at 03:43 PM
Jan 7th 2019, 05:06 PM   #49
 liberpolly's Avatar
  Jan 2016

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Originally Posted by Sentinel

You might say, "My Sporty makes me feel like fucking James Dean, which is why I like it." and zero motherfuckers could argue.
Verily, brethren!
Jan 7th 2019, 06:06 PM   #50
 Bald Guy's Avatar
  Jan 2016

  Versys 1000 SE LT+, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
And then you'd do some shots.

Your thought process is impeccable.

I like the cut of your jib!


Edited by Bald Guy on Jan 7th 2019 at 06:10 PM
Jan 7th 2019, 09:59 PM   #51
 cgt1229's Avatar
  Feb 2016

Just ride, who cares what other people are doing.
Jan 9th 2019, 10:43 AM   #52
 Dash Riprock's Avatar
  Apr 2018

  Yamaha 650
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
But then I grew up
Well there's my problem right there!

Seriously this has nothing to do with HD riders, or criticism of anyone's choice of bike. I would hope these subjects could be discussed over a beer or breakfast without malice and I can appreciate anyone's desire to ride ANY brand they feel at home on.

I actually used to really want an XB then this happened;

"The Blast was ultimately the most expensive development project Buell undertook. Because the engine was overpriced, it ended up making money for Harley while losing money for Buell.[10] It was regarded as a technical success."

I think Buell may have bit the hand by publicly crushing one, but I think that was about the time I lost interest in HD. If they make bikes that suit you thats great, and ultimately they are an American corporation and I want them to do well.
Jan 9th 2019, 12:25 PM   #53
 DGA's Avatar
  Jan 2016

  An Ape and a Husky
I think my biggest problem is that I've yet to ride a bike that I don't like. And I've been fortunate enough to ride a good deal of things out there.
Jan 20th 2019, 04:15 PM   #54
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Originally Posted by liberpolly
If Harley faithful would keep their delusions to themselves and weren't trying to compare their machines favorably to other bikes, nobody would bother dissing them. In winter or in summer.
Did you forget that you said this?
Feb 9th 2019, 02:37 PM   #55
 ShootPDX's Avatar
  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
Okay I was going to leave this alone but now I'm really curious what you make of the people in your own tribe that are anti Sportster (and there are many, at least in Idaho). I rode a friends 1200 to a poker run once, he told me not to show up on my metric bike, and earned the nickname Suzy. I complained and don't feel it would be appropriate to say what they would have called me if I had shown up on an 883,
I did a test ride on the latest Road Glide...I was actually hoping to ride something even more baggy, but for some reason the guy almost directed me to the thing. Dude kept saying how incredibly torquey it I was going to be completely blown away by the power, etc. Mind you I showed up on a loud 1998 Hammer 1250 kitted Sporty breathing fire and making probably 90HP or so...weighing well under 500 pounds wet...I'm like..."Are you sure?"...

Not impressed at all with the M8...motor was ringing like a bell at near zero miles...all kinds of strange sounds clanging out of it...transmission was clunky as fuck...literally...nothing at all has been refined...this is the only brand I know of where you're better off just searching Craigslist for anything pre-1999. Oh...and the Sportster would have wiped the fucking floor with this behemoth.

Edited by ShootPDX on Feb 10th 2019 at 08:44 AM
Feb 9th 2019, 08:14 PM   #56
 Parilla125's Avatar
  Jan 2016

I have owned a whole lotta motorcycles of all different styles. I have liked them all. A guy at work had one of those memes with different bikes and riders and what they are. He asked a guy that knows me which one I was. He said, “All of them.”
I have 5 now that kind of cover the spectrum of bikes and am pretty happy with all of them. The other side of that is they are all for sale. All my bikes are potentally for sale. That is what keeps it interesting for me. Trying different ones.
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Feb 10th 2019, 08:01 AM   #57
 Sentinel's Avatar
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Bikes I've owned.......and loved almost all of them.







Edited by Sentinel on Feb 10th 2019 at 11:57 AM
Feb 10th 2019, 11:46 AM   #58
 Willow's Avatar
  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM, XR100
Bikes I've owned

Trek 770
Cannondale (SuperSix) current

I've owned some motorcycles too. I like all two wheels, but I've told my friends if I ever get a cruiser (don't care about make or model), please punch me in the mouth........

But that's just me.....
Feb 10th 2019, 12:55 PM   #59
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  Jan 2016

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Just for the weather Harley is introducing Snow Glide
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