Instagram     

Go Back   PNW Moto > PNW Moto > Motorcycles

Motorcycles For topics and discussions about all motorcycle makes and models

Like Tree14Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Jan 3rd 2019, 12:47 PM   #31
 Dash Riprock's Avatar
 
  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
Quote:
Must be a pretty sad life to carry all that hatred and bitterness around.
Not for HD only for FCA and they way they turned Jeep into a poorly built mall rated brand


Quote:
Flip the script: Ducati buys....Harley, saves the shit out of it.
Ducati Indiana's for all my friends!



There was a post here recently about millennial motorcyclists in India that was encouraging to read. If Bajaj does get any interest in Ducati I hope that kind of enthusiasm makes it to the brand.

Edited by Dash Riprock on Jan 3rd 2019 at 06:30 PM
Jan 3rd 2019, 01:21 PM   #32
DGA
 DGA's Avatar
Moderator
 
  Jan 2016
  PDX

  An Ape and a Husky
VW is trying to shed, not buy. And especially not buy in a segment that's been hemorrhaging for a while.

While HD is in a middle of trying to broaden who they are and focusing, Ducati has done well expanding theirs selection and sales over the last half a decade. One buying the other would be a bad fit, just how MV was for HD.
Jan 3rd 2019, 03:47 PM   #33
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
Fuck the nay-sayers: Harlati.
Jan 3rd 2019, 03:51 PM   #34
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
Only for FCA and they way they turned Jeep into a poorly built mall rated brand

Ducati Indiana's for all my friends!

There was a post here recently about millennial motorcyclists in India that was encouraging to read. If Bajaj does get any interest in Ducati I hope that kind of enthusiasm makes it to the brand.
Not sure how that even relates to what I said...that you quoted.
Jan 3rd 2019, 06:35 PM   #35
 Dash Riprock's Avatar
 
  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
Quote:
Not sure how that even relates to what I said...that you quoted.
Post edited, I really hope that none of us would let criticism of a brand turn into bitterness or any sort of hard feelings.
Jan 5th 2019, 10:33 PM   #36
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by 307T
And why the heck do you care?
For exactly the same reason my opponent cares about my bike's maintenance intervals. Are you completely unable to follow the context of a conversation for more than two posts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 307T
You have your Duc. I'm sure you love it. Great. No reason to piss all over someone else's brand. Maybe they like theirs for precisely those reasons you cite. BFD. Oh, geez. Sorry. I forgot that it's winter and it's time to turn every thread into an opportunity to diss Harley.

If Harley faithful would keep their delusions to themselves and weren't trying to compare their machines favorably to other bikes, nobody would bother dissing them. In winter or in summer.
Jan 5th 2019, 10:39 PM   #37
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Anti-Harley guys are so predictable it isn't even funny. They have absolutely no ability to keep from having diarrhea-of-the-mouth as soon as the name as mentioned.

I'm personally not a fan of Suzukis, and I think that the Ducati Diavel is one of the ugliest bikes ever made, yet mentioning those don't suddenly make me break out in hives and force me to make ugly comments about them. But mention HD and those guys are vomiting all over the thread. Must be a pretty sad life to carry all that hatred and bitterness around.
What's funny is that you are so completely devoid of self-awareness, you cannot even remember that it was your own post who tried to compare Harley to Ducati:

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Okay, other than oil changes, and spark plugs (60,000 miles) there are no required engine maintenance intervals for Harleys.
Jan 6th 2019, 03:02 PM   #38
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
What's funny is that you are so completely devoid of self-awareness, you cannot even remember that it was your own post who tried to compare Harley to Ducati:
And how was that bashing on Ducatis and, more importantly, Ducati owners?

You specifically said that I should compare Ducati maintenance intervals to other motorcycle one's, rather than cars', so that's what I did. And funny, Harley's intervals are more favorable than Ducati's. It was the anti-Harley crowd that moved from simple maintenance interval comparisons to something closer to intolerance.
Jan 6th 2019, 03:13 PM   #39
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
If Harley faithful would keep their delusions to themselves and weren't trying to compare their machines favorably to other bikes, nobody would bother dissing them. In winter or in summer.
And this, this shows the complete ugliness of the anti-Harley crowd's intolerance. How dare a Harley rider ever feel that their choice of motorcycle is better, for them, than any other? How dare that Harley owner try to explain why they believe that Harley is a better choice for them? How dare they think that something other than outright performance has any place in deciding what a "better" motorcycle is?

Maybe, if the anti-Harley crowd weren't so "offended" by Harley and Harley riders, they might just find that motorcycling can be a community hobby, with different "better" bikes for different types of riding.
Jan 6th 2019, 06:04 PM   #40
 Dash Riprock's Avatar
 
  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
And this, this shows the complete ugliness of the anti-Harley crowd's intolerance. How dare a Harley rider ever feel that their choice of motorcycle is better, for them, than any other? How dare that Harley owner try to explain why they believe that Harley is a better choice for them? How dare they think that something other than outright performance has any place in deciding what a "better" motorcycle is?
Okay I was going to leave this alone but now I'm really curious what you make of the people in your own tribe that are anti Sportster (and there are many, at least in Idaho). I rode a friends 1200 to a poker run once, he told me not to show up on my metric bike, and earned the nickname Suzy. I complained and don't feel it would be appropriate to say what they would have called me if I had shown up on an 883,
Jan 6th 2019, 07:26 PM   #41
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
Fuck the nay-sayers: Harlati.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
Jan 6th 2019, 10:15 PM   #42
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
And how was that bashing on Ducatis and, more importantly, Ducati owners?

You specifically said that I should compare Ducati maintenance intervals to other motorcycle one's, rather than cars', so that's what I did. And funny, Harley's intervals are more favorable than Ducati's. It was the anti-Harley crowd that moved from simple maintenance interval comparisons to something closer to intolerance.
I didn't say you were bashing. Reading comprehension!

You brought a valid point that while Ducati maintenance is now on par with other motorcycles, Harley's intervals are more favorable. My equally valid counter-point is that this low maintenance is achieved at the price of heavy weight, poor handling, and low performance, a compromise of sorts that Harley owners are willing to take but others are not. Not bashing either.

Of course, the thin-skinned Harley owners perceive every valid counter-point as bashing, but that cannot be helped with logic...

Take an example from Ducati owners who don't bristle at the valid point that their bikes are expensive to maintain and capricious, or Honda owners who accept that their bikes are bland and over-engineered, etc. etc.
Jan 6th 2019, 10:18 PM   #43
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
And this, this shows the complete ugliness of the anti-Harley crowd's intolerance. How dare a Harley rider ever feel that their choice of motorcycle is better, for them, than any other? How dare that Harley owner try to explain why they believe that Harley is a better choice for them? How dare they think that something other than outright performance has any place in deciding what a "better" motorcycle is?

Maybe, if the anti-Harley crowd weren't so "offended" by Harley and Harley riders, they might just find that motorcycling can be a community hobby, with different "better" bikes for different types of riding.
Again, you fail to understand the simple, concise, short messages. I absolutely agreed with the author's point, and brought a counter-point, which was equally factual.

Once again: if you enjoy riding a heavy, slow, poorly handling bike, good for you and high-fives all around!

On the other hand, if you deny that it is a heavy, slow, poorly handling bike, you are an idiot.
Jan 7th 2019, 08:43 AM   #44
 Bald Guy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
Okay I was going to leave this alone but now I'm really curious what you make of the people in your own tribe that are anti Sportster (and there are many, at least in Idaho). I rode a friends 1200 to a poker run once, he told me not to show up on my metric bike, and earned the nickname Suzy. I complained and don't feel it would be appropriate to say what they would have called me if I had shown up on an 883,
What did you expect, you were on a girls bike!

Dusty
Jan 7th 2019, 09:02 AM   #45
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
Okay I was going to leave this alone but now I'm really curious what you make of the people in your own tribe that are anti Sportster (and there are many, at least in Idaho). I rode a friends 1200 to a poker run once, he told me not to show up on my metric bike, and earned the nickname Suzy. I complained and don't feel it would be appropriate to say what they would have called me if I had shown up on an 883,
I think they are complete idiots. And, really, they aren't in my "tribe" because I don't hold to a specific brand. As I have mentioned many times in other threads I was once part of the anti-Harley faction. Hated the things. But then I grew up, and realized that they fit into a place that only they can. I found that many of those aspects that anti-Harley people berate, are exactly the things that make them appealing to the people that buy them. Then I started really looking, and started to find things that, for me at times, makes a Harley a "better" bike.

As far as the attitudes of those Harley riders you speak of, in all my years of owning Harleys, and attending events, I have rarely encountered it. In all of the charity rides I've been on they have all have a wide variety of machinery. From Big twins to Sportsters, from Honda Shadows to ZX-10s. Sure, the forums are full of that crap, but the opposite is true on this forum as well.

My point has always been, on this forum and the Harley ones I'm part of, that we should all strive to be "motorcyclists", people that love motorcycles in all their styles and brands. We should support those people that ride, no matter what they choose to ride. And we should never berate a person based on the brand, or model, they choose. It's one thing to share why you may not like a certain bike, but it's another thing to demean someone for choosing a bike you don't like. Just look at what was said by that other member. He basically said it's his responsibility to shoot down anyone that has the audacity to claim that a Harley is "favorable". That goes beyond saying that he doesn't care for them.

Either we can strive to build the community of riders, or we can allow it to be torn down.
307T, craiger and Dash Riprock like this.
Reply

  PNW Moto > PNW Moto > Motorcycles

Tags
buy, ducati, ktm



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ducati Panigale V4 goes solar, Ducati steps up. Sentinel Motorcycles 4 Mar 22nd 2018 08:38 AM
Another hot new Ducati! liberpolly Motorcycles 23 Feb 15th 2018 10:33 PM
Hot new Ducati! DocB Track 4 Apr 4th 2017 01:33 PM
What Ducati needs! motoman Motorcycles 8 Mar 18th 2017 02:25 PM




Copyright © 2019 PNW Moto. All rights reserved.