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Dec 16th 2018, 12:51 PM   #1
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KTM to buy Ducati?

https://jalopnik.com/ktm-might-buy-d...ood-1831129648

Uh, re-name the whole corporate v-twin sandwich to Haul-Ass-But-Don't Last?

Red and Orange?
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Dec 16th 2018, 03:51 PM   #2
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They both tend to be maintaince queens but the 3 ktm dirtbikes ive had have been great bikes and were a 30 min affair to adjust the valves instead of all day for shim under bucket.
Dec 17th 2018, 01:00 PM   #3
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My Ducati's have never been maintenance queens and that is generally a myth perpetuated by folks that don't own them. There are exceptions however.
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Dec 17th 2018, 01:43 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
My Ducati's have never been maintenance queens and that is generally a myth perpetuated by folks that don't own them. There are exceptions however.
I guess it depends on what you compare them to and what years but i always assumed mechanically opened and closed valves would be more maint than traditional valve springs.
Dec 17th 2018, 03:26 PM   #5
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What you're referring to are the air-cooled bikes and the 6,000 mile 'recommend' valve checks. Most don't need any adjustment after the first 10,000ish miles and what makes them that way is the valve retainer clip (the part which gradually wears) which can be replaced with aftermarket clips that greatly extend the maintenance checks to that of the new bikes. Don't get me started on the 'need for belt replacement' service recommendation.

Lots of Ducati myths/perceptions out there and one should do their own investigation on the validity of them and find out the truth. I'm not a huge fanboy like some others out there, but found out for myself once I got into the brand. Like any brand they do some things really well and other things you're left scratching your head asking, WTF?!?
Dec 17th 2018, 09:38 PM   #6
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My Ducati's have never been maintenance queens and that is generally a myth perpetuated by folks that don't own them. There are exceptions however.
Agreed...........

I've owned two, and currently still have the second one. Have never had any issues, but routine maintenance. Rock solid bikes for me, except for running out of gas......
Dec 19th 2018, 08:48 AM   #7
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After the diesel fiasco, VW has been looking to sell off portions of the business. Ducati is just one of those things they've been trying to sell off.

I think what he might be referring to are the maintenance intervals. Even if nothing is adjusted, but only checked, it costs money as a good amount of owners take them in for service and till recently even water cooled Ducs had short maintenance windows when it came to certain things.

Edited by DGA on Dec 19th 2018 at 09:05 AM
Dec 19th 2018, 07:31 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by DGA
After the diesel fiasco, VW has been looking to sell off portions of the business. Ducati is just one of those things they've been trying to sell off.

I think what he might be referring to are the maintenance intervals. Even if nothing is adjusted, but only checked, it costs money as a good amount of owners take them in for service and till recently even water cooled Ducs had short maintenance windows when it came to certain things.
15,000 miles is short?
Dec 20th 2018, 07:40 AM   #9
 
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15,000 miles is short?
For something like a timing belt? Yes!
Dec 20th 2018, 01:21 PM   #10
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15,000 miles is short?
I believe that Testastretta Evolution motors - 848/1098/1199 - are 7,500 miles.
Dec 21st 2018, 11:36 AM   #11
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15,000 miles is short?
Yes, when you consider that modern cars have a 7500 to 10,000 mile oil change interval, and timing belts at 60,000 (or more).

I get that motorcycle engines rev higher, therefore possibly creating more stress, but not 4 times as much.
Dec 21st 2018, 11:52 AM   #12
 
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Panigales (1199 and later) have 7500 mile oil changes and 15k mile valve checks, and no timing belts. No more servicing than a Japanese bike. The not-so-sporty models have even longer intervals.

Servicing will cost more however, even if you do it yourself.
Dec 26th 2018, 05:49 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Yes, when you consider that modern cars have a 7500 to 10,000 mile oil change interval, and timing belts at 60,000 (or more).

I get that motorcycle engines rev higher, therefore possibly creating more stress, but not 4 times as much.
let's stick to comparison with other motorcycles
Dec 27th 2018, 09:22 AM   #14
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let's stick to comparison with other motorcycles
Okay, other than oil changes, and spark plugs (60,000 miles) there are no required engine maintenance intervals for Harleys.
Dec 27th 2018, 10:53 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Okay, other than oil changes, and spark plugs (60,000 miles) there are no required engine maintenance intervals for Harleys.
You better check your cam compartment at or before 25K. And check crank run out while you're at it. Everything else is external engine, true


And I've friends (yes, I have those) with both Ducati's and KTM's that have both horror stories and hossanah's to sing about both brands.

All in all, everything now has problems and or high costs, can you live with them would be the question.. Kinda like women... another subject entirely...

But if KTM does buy Ducati, and honestly I think that would be as likely as ATK coming back again.... we'll just have a inter-corporate warfare in the R&D department to look forward to.

Edited by Dubnut on Dec 27th 2018 at 11:20 AM
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