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Jul 31st 2018, 01:55 PM   #46
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  Jan 2016
  Rome

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
^^ Now THAT HD ADV is something that interests me! Somebody put a lot of time into sorting that out.

http://www.bikebound.com/2017/11/12/carducci-dual-sport-sc3-adventure/"]

http://www.bikebound.com/2017/11/12/...sc3-adventure/

http://www.bikebound.com/wp-content/...al-Sport-4.jpg
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Edited by Thumperpilot on Jul 31st 2018 at 02:04 PM
Jul 31st 2018, 02:25 PM   #47
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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^^ Now THAT HD ADV is something ]
YES!

Hey, Harley, look over here:

Jul 31st 2018, 02:33 PM   #48
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  Sep 2016
  Seabeck

  Africa Twin
That is a bike that I would plop my money down for TODAY. (If it was priced appropriately).
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Jul 31st 2018, 02:50 PM   #49
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
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Why so defensive? When the thread comes to another brand, I'll be just as objective, and just as frank.
is this your first time running into Harley thin skinnedness? the only people who like their bikes are them and they hear constantly what piles their bikes are..how antiquated and out of the past they are...you'd probably get defense too...
Jul 31st 2018, 03:04 PM   #50
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  Jan 2016
  Here

  R1200ST, CB350
All they have to do is buy back the Aermacchi name from whoever ended up with it and concentrate on making these, and only these, two bikes:

Jul 31st 2018, 04:00 PM   #51
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
I would like to see an updated version of the 1977-79 XLCR. The 2008-12 XLR1200 was sort of OK but kind of bulky. An update of either bike would be nice...especially the earlier bike in my opinion.

Edit: I apologize for mistakenly identifying this bike as an XL 1000. Thanks for the sharp eye Warp. Another drawback of being an "aging boomer" (as mentioned in a couple of threads today) is some memory lapse.

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Edited by 307T on Jul 31st 2018 at 07:10 PM
Jul 31st 2018, 04:21 PM   #52
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  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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All they have to do is buy back the Aermacchi name ]
I dunno. I don't think Americans are gonna want anything to do with that name. For real. I think it really is that shallow, that they would reject that name as foreign.

MAGA, and all that.
Jul 31st 2018, 04:59 PM   #53
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
It’s a come to Jesus moment for the HD dealer network for sure. The time has long since passed to give a bunch of aging boomers “what they want”. With KTM, Ducati, Polaris and even BMW increasing market share (some with double-digit percentages) this fantasy that the “market is in decline” is just not gonna play with investors.

I could tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that Matt Levatich—a mechanical engineer who was once tasked with running day-to-day at MV Agusta is not going to tolerate the horseshit that dealers did to Buell—Refusing to sell service or market. Dealers are going to get warning letters and more than a few guys are going to lose their franchises entirely. Mark my words—-You might see more than a few HD corporate stores opening.

Screw giving people “what they want” Steve Jobs never gave a single individual what they wanted. His company is inches away from clearing $1 trillion in market capitalization —-so he was NOT wrong.
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Jul 31st 2018, 05:12 PM   #54
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I could tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that Matt Levatich—a mechanical engineer who was once tasked with running day-to-day at MV Agusta is not going to tolerate the horseshit that dealers did to Buell—Refusing to sell service or market.
Is that also what happened to the XR1200? They only made it in the first place because their European dealer network was asking for it, and at first didn't even bring it to the US. And when they did, it wasn't for long.

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Screw giving people “what they want” Steve Jobs never gave a single individual what they wanted.
Well, he gave one individual what he wanted: himself. That was his real talent: he knew perfectly well that customers and particularly focus groups are not visionaries; they don't know what they want until you show it to them. He had his designers and engineers build the thing that he would like to have, figuring once it existed, other people would "get it" and realize they wanted it too.

/derail
Jul 31st 2018, 05:28 PM   #55
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  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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... the 1983-84 XR1000.

See? They can do it. I mean, that thing is badass AND it is totally Harley. It has the tiniest bit of early Kawasaki in it, but you wouldn't know that unless you were looking for it. THAT thing is _IT_! And if you put black-spoke wheels on it? BLAM!

Anything that reminds us of THIS, wins:



See where this could go for Harley? There is a market perhaps for BEAUTIFUL and not just black skullzorz with swords in their eyes
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Edited by Sentinel on Jul 31st 2018 at 05:32 PM
Jul 31st 2018, 05:42 PM   #56
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Before I got distracted I was going to point out that that isn't a picture of an XR1000. This is:

(sorry for the huge picture but the detail of the -- unusual for H-D -- heads with the intakes to the rear of both cylinders is easier to see this way.
And yes, those really inconveniently placed filter pods were the stock design.
You rode the thing with your right knee sticking out. The exhaust was set high on the left side in tracker style.)



Edit: here's a nice slideshow with good views all around: https://www.mecum.com/lots/LV0118-31...vidson-xr1000/

Edited by WarpShatner7 on Jul 31st 2018 at 05:51 PM Reason: accidentally typed 1200 instead of 1000
Jul 31st 2018, 05:56 PM   #57
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
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Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
Is that also what happened to the XR1200? They only made it in the first place because their European dealer network was asking for it, and at first didn't even bring it to the US. And when they did, it wasn't for long.



Well, he gave one individual what he wanted: himself. That was his real talent: he knew perfectly well that customers and particularly focus groups are not visionaries; they don't know what they want until you show it to them. He had his designers and engineers build the thing that he would like to have, figuring once it existed, other people would "get it" and realize they wanted it too.

/derail
In the case of the XR1200 that made 79HP factory it's very hard when you have aftermarket guys do little more than port, polish and ventilate and get somewhere in the 120s on the Sportster platform. Ryan & Dan Baisley are you out there?...lol...

In the case of Steve jobs--fuck yeah--you nailed it! I make something for me as a motorcyclist that *I* would ride--period. Throw away all that stuff about what the competition does. You cannot focus-group your way into coolsville. The problem with Harley--heck the problem with Honda--is that everything is marginalized by the fear of failure. When Willie G. and the gang built the aluminum Evo people just went fucking ballistic--it was met with near universal hatred and derision by hardcore HD folks--yet it remains possibly the singular transformative event in the history of the company and one of the finest motors ever built by any company. When Tadao Baba made the 900RR which fit no engine class and therefore could not be raced people within his own team thought him to be somewhat insane. Weighing about 76 pounds less than an R1--the fucking thing stole the show and quite literally changed sport motorcycling for the better...forever...

Neither of these two companies have done anything cool since....

Edited by ShootPDX on Jul 31st 2018 at 06:12 PM
Jul 31st 2018, 06:54 PM   #58
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '15 Grom, '08 BMW K12GT, '06 Honda CBR1000RR (Track), '14 KTM Duke 690
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Neither of these two companies have done anything cool since....
Groms are cool.
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Jul 31st 2018, 06:55 PM   #59
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
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Groms are cool.
I'll have to give you the Grom!
Jul 31st 2018, 07:25 PM   #60
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Bartel's (a Marina Del Rey) Harley dealer, Storz and Mert Lawwill all made Harley-based street trackers for sale. Those, Buell and the above mentioned XLCR factory made cafe bike all had limited audiences but they were fun options for those (like me, for example) who liked them.


Edited by 307T on Jul 31st 2018 at 07:30 PM
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