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Jan 9th 2018, 08:35 AM   #16
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by Bald Guy
WAC 201-10-026 is the standard the WSP has adopted for approved eye protection.

Nothing is cut and dried in the RCW. Nothing.

Exactly. The RCW doesn't provide a standard as to what constitutes a "windshield", therefore it comes down to interpretation of the individual LEO and judge.

And that is exactly what the Trooper told us regarding the green LED underglow on my daughter's 250 Ninja. Based on the intent of the law her lights were illegal, but based on the letter they weren't. So, it is often more beneficial to write the ticket and leave it up to a judge to decide.

So, back to my previous statement, each rider has to decide whether the risk is worth the "reward". Are you willing to risk that both an LEO and a judge are going to interpret it the way you do?
Jan 9th 2018, 09:33 AM   #17
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Exactly. Are you willing to risk that both an LEO and a judge are going to interpret it the way you do?
nevermind

i dont really have this kind of trouble irl

Edited by Sentinel on Jan 9th 2018 at 10:05 AM
Jan 9th 2018, 10:10 AM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
This is how people are trained into mutual censorship and control and to voluntarily abandon their rights.

It is similar to gun control plans. Right now you have to look at maps and comb through multiple legal and semi-legal documents, declarations, injunctions, and a hundred other things to know where you can legally carry a weapon for self defense and where you can legally shoot that weapon, for example. It is also similar to fishing rules. The patchwork, the maze/zoo of different rules makes it a real risk to engage in lawful activity because you can never know when some obscure or unknown (to you) prohibition might foul you up no matter how hard you try and stay legal. In the end you might just say "fuck it" because you can't be sure, and give up your rights because of the (intentional) confusion.
No, it's called "assumed risk". It's being willing to own the fact that you choose to risk breaking the law. I don't care if you do, or not, but just don't complain about getting ticketed if it happens.

I agree that some laws are purposefully confusing, but this isn't one of those. Again, when the law was written the only motorcycle windshields were the super tall, flat, plexiglass ones. There was no need to define it any way else. So, no, this isn't about giving up any "rights".
Jan 10th 2018, 04:41 AM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
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Originally Posted by Bald Guy
WAC 201-10-026 is the standard the WSP has adopted for approved eye protection.

Nothing is cut and dried in the RCW. Nothing.

Actually it's WAC 204-10-026

If you had been wearing your proper ocular PPE you would have been able to read the numbers better.

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Originally Posted by PeteN95
My dual sport helmet has both a visor, opaque and sticking out horizontal above the eye port, and a face shield, clear and hinged to cover the eye port. FYI
Ain't we special.
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Jan 10th 2018, 12:20 PM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
My peepers are fine. The problem lies with my not being able to remember shit from the time I closed the WAC to the time I type it!

That and fat fingers.

Edited by Bald Guy on Jan 10th 2018 at 03:38 PM
Jan 11th 2018, 05:35 AM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
I feel your pain there. My mind is a steel trap, but rusty.
Feb 23rd 2018, 03:58 PM   #22
 
  Feb 2018
  rochester, wa.

  the all mighty C14 -zx's fat sister
Heres one some cops don't know about..

In Washington state According to the RCW law- Does not require motorcycles to carry insurance. part of the reason I haven't ever carried insurance on any bike I've ridden until this last yr ( which is my 50th yr of riding) and the only reason being is that I like the Connie. and i'm older than dirt. KJ
Feb 23rd 2018, 07:31 PM   #23
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  Jan 2018
  near the Socialist Republic of Seattle

  '13 BMW S1000RR
Prescription eyewear here - when I wore contacts, I had to close the visor due to dry eyes. I suppose Iím lucky..?
Feb 24th 2018, 06:20 AM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
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In Washington state According to the RCW law- Does not require motorcycles to carry insurance. part of the reason I haven't ever carried insurance on any bike I've ridden until this last yr ( which is my 50th yr of riding) and the only reason being is that I like the Connie. and i'm older than dirt. KJ
No requirement for liability insurance does not absolve an operator of financial responsibility IAW RCW 46.29. Anyone riding without coverage is opening themselves up to a legal nightmare, especially in this litigious society.
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Mar 2nd 2018, 09:04 AM   #25
 
  Feb 2018
  rochester, wa.

  the all mighty C14 -zx's fat sister
insurance liability

Yes even though one isn't legally required to have insurance here in Wa. That doesn't mean you won't be held liable if you are at fault. My reasoning is that 99 % of the time bikers won't be hitting someone. It will be falling over, not making a corner, etc. not involving someone else. If it does, it most likely will be their fault. Just my experience. KJ
Mar 2nd 2018, 10:17 AM   #26
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  Jan 2018
  near the Socialist Republic of Seattle

  '13 BMW S1000RR
There was an instance when my wife was in our (now gone) people-hauler, a recklessly speeding bicyclist slammed into her rear quarter panel. The Minivan sustained a big dent, and the cyclist got a fracture in his hand. He admitted to be speeding WAY too fast.
The final outcome was that my insurance company paid for the kid's medical bills and PT. Apparently, Washington tends to look after cyclists.
So, watch out for out-of-control cyclists...?
Mar 2nd 2018, 11:42 AM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Battle Ground

  1991 Honda CBR1000F
I kind of figure, if you are not going to protect your eyes somehow, then don't complain when you don't have an eye or two.
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Mar 2nd 2018, 12:11 PM   #28
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  Jan 2018
  near the Socialist Republic of Seattle

  '13 BMW S1000RR
Yep, it's al fun and games until...
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