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May 20th 2016, 08:34 AM   #16
Mic
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  Jan 2016
  Washington

You should have probably stopped here...

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Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
Congrats
Unfortunately, you didn't.

Instead you decided to try and puff your chest up.

You were right on point with this

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No matter how good you are as a technician... how can you possibly know all is well with that small of a sample size?
It wouldn't matter if there is 1 mile, 10, or 1000.

If a preliminary checklist is done, all fluids, torques are checked on items that are considered check able, it's started up and rev'ed a little to listen for anything out of place, the chances of something coming loose actually "riding" it in 1 mile, 10, or whatever as stated above, is actually pretty unlikely.

The reason why most motorcycles have a 600 mile service interval for their first service isn't the whole "need to get all the bad stuff out of the oils!" reason most people give, it's actually to make sure really nothing has happened in that first 600 miles and is mechanically sound and to catch anything before it becomes a warranty issue. That's where getting some miles under it it starts to become noticeable.

Why I find your comments and little chest puffing so funny is...

Coming from a motorsports background, we will completely pull apart something, rebuild, and then slap it on the track... That's where it gets tested...

So yah, I'm not entirely too concerned right now. I'll do my own checks over it when I get some time next week when I'm back from Oregon (sad thing is, I get bike then gotta leave it for 4 days).
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May 20th 2016, 08:49 AM   #17
 
  Jan 2016
  Newcastle, WA

  1995 Suzuki Katana
Or maybe (I have no clue on this) Honda instructs their dealers in how to do an odometer reset upon delivery of a new bike. Or all the test rides were done with the odometer sensor unplugged. Or a fuse was pulled. Or, or, or....

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May 20th 2016, 08:57 AM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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I'm right on point <and> I'm chest puffing?

I agree that for real motorcyclists, Motorsports geeks, etc... the entire pdi does not matter. That sort of rider will figure it out sooner or later.

The vast majority of bike buyers are not that though. Any bike that was delivered new with "0" on the odometer was, imo, not properly test ridden to ensure it was ready to go.
May 20th 2016, 08:59 AM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Or maybe (I have no clue on this) Honda instructs their dealers in how to do an odometer reset upon delivery of a new bike. Or all the test rides were done with the odometer sensor unplugged. Or a fuse was pulled. Or, or, or....

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No to all. There is no way to reset the odometer at the dealer or pull a fuse so that the odometer does not register.
May 20th 2016, 09:08 AM   #20
Mic
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  Jan 2016
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I'm right on point <and> I'm chest puffing?

I agree that for real motorcyclists, Motorsports geeks, etc... the entire pdi does not matter. That sort of rider will figure it out sooner or later.

The vast majority of bike buyers are not that though. Any bike that was delivered new with "0" on the odometer was, imo, not properly test ridden to ensure it was ready to go.
You were right on point with that line, the rest of it was just chest puffing.

Meaning even if that bike was hand built, piece by piece by a mechanic on location, the chances of something being missed is bound to happen, no matter how good they are. That doesn't mean though, that the mistake will be noticeable within any prescribed "test ride".

Seriously, how many miles do you feel it needs to be ridden?

Outside of topping off fluids, checking for leaks, checking all points of safety (wheels, forks, brakes, throttle binding, etc), what else would you expect to go catastrophically wrong?
May 20th 2016, 09:27 AM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Smile

Sorry! I have to disengage and go put tires on an old Honda. Will re-engage and try to better explain my points hopefully without any further pumping of the chest after lunch.
May 20th 2016, 09:37 AM   #22
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Most crated bikes that I've seen are 99% together sans mirrors and a few other odd bits and pieces. Add some gas and (maybe oil and coolant) you are ready to roll.
May 20th 2016, 01:38 PM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Originally Posted by Mic
You were right on point with that line, the rest of it was just chest puffing.

Meaning even if that bike was hand built, piece by piece by a mechanic on location, the chances of something being missed is bound to happen, no matter how good they are. That doesn't mean though, that the mistake will be noticeable within any prescribed "test ride".

Seriously, how many miles do you feel it needs to be ridden?

Outside of topping off fluids, checking for leaks, checking all points of safety (wheels, forks, brakes, throttle binding, etc), what else would you expect to go catastrophically wrong?
How many miles? More than 1. At least that way you know the the tech rode it at all. IMO, the bike needs some stop/go traffic and a freeway (or freeway speed) blast to see if in fact the bike is operating normally in all conditions. If the odometer registers "0" at time of delivery to the retail customer... you essentially know that did not happen. I believe a proper pdi test ride on any modern streetbike should be at least 3 miles. At 10 or higher the tech is just having fun on someone else's bike.

In regards to catastrophic failures and what I might expect or hope to prevent from a proper pdi and appropriate test ride, I will take you one further. I wouldn't want a new bike customer to experience a failure of any kind. Minor, medium or catastrophic. A proper pdi (which includes a real test ride) is the best way to prevent that.

Try this perspective. You are the ceo of Honda NA. Or perhaps the owner of Hinshaws or some other monster store. You are asked the following question:

"Dear mr ceo/dealership owner, you have the following choice. All the new street motorcycles sold through the company that you chair/own will continue to be manufactured and shipped as always. At the moment the retail customer takes delivery and hits the street, the odometer reading of each bike will be either a) 0 or b) 5. Please choose a or b."

Which would they pick?
May 20th 2016, 02:09 PM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Vancouver, WA

I don't see where RLM was chest puffing. Just fascinated w/ the process (my interpretation). Caught my interest.

I can answer the question from a non-motorcycle background newb. They want to see ZERO on the odometer, otherwise it is not new, right? Used, would be my first thought.

However, after you've (RLM) explained why it is a better deal w/ 1 to 5 miles on the ODO and a full eval, I can see where you'd want a bike w/ a couple miles on it.

A new owner would wonder what is up w/ the 5 miles on the ODO.

Edited by holypiston on May 20th 2016 at 02:12 PM
May 20th 2016, 02:18 PM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle ,Wa

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Hinshaw's Test rides their bikes down 59th Ave S. There is a good chance it didn't show if 10th's aren't recorded on the first mile?
May 20th 2016, 03:20 PM   #26
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  Seattle

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Originally Posted by holypiston
I don't see where RLM was chest puffing. Just fascinated w/ the process (my interpretation). Caught my interest.

I can answer the question from a non-motorcycle background newb. They want to see ZERO on the odometer, otherwise it is not new, right? Used, would be my first thought.

However, after you've (RLM) explained why it is a better deal w/ 1 to 5 miles on the ODO and a full eval, I can see where you'd want a bike w/ a couple miles on it.

A new owner would wonder what is up w/ the 5 miles on the ODO.
I picked "0" or "5" to make a point. No bike manufacturer wants any of their street product delivered with 0 miles indicated. Taking delivery of a new bike with 5 to 20 miles is a daily occurrence. A lot of the higher end European and even Japanese stuff comes out of the crate with 2 or maybe 4/5 miles already registered since they actually ride it at the factory.

Thank you for understanding my long winded post was not meant to be some sort of holier than thou and/or chest puffery moment. I tend to notice small things that otherwise slip under the radar (its a curse).

In all likelihood the tech was busy and the sales dept was screaming at him/her to get it done. Or possibly it was crappy weather and they didn't feel like being an Auburn sponge that day.

<or>

Its normal policy for them to deliver a new street bike with a "0" odo reading which anyone in the industry would disbelieve.
May 20th 2016, 03:35 PM   #27
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  Seattle

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Hinshaw's Test rides their bikes down 59th Ave S. There is a good chance it didn't show if 10th's aren't recorded on the first mile?
I can't think of any newer machine with an odometer that indicates tenths of a mile at any point. Tripmeter yes. But not the overall mileage indicator.

Which makes me wonder what I would have done since I'm so tough to please.

There I am taking delivery of my brand spanking new bike. Lo and behold.... zero miles! What the hell? I'd think to myself. What the heck am I paying these guys for? No one test rode my new speed machine? What if the wheel falls off or the engine grenades? What then?

So naturally I'd reset the trip to "0.0" and putt-putt around the parking lot until the odo went to "1". The higher the trip was at that point, the less my bike was test ridden. Lets say ".7" came up on the trip. That means my bike only had .3 actual miles and they turned me loose! Are they effing crazy?

Naturally I'd bitch and moan and make a fuss. Threaten lawsuits. Swear never to darken their doors again!

<or>

I'd ride my new bike and be happy.

May 20th 2016, 03:51 PM   #28
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  V-Star 1100 Custom
Congrats on the new bike! I see lots of dirt and mud on your bike as you ride it home.
May 20th 2016, 10:15 PM   #29
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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May 21st 2016, 09:20 AM   #30
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  Jan 2016
  Tri-Cities, WA

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