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Mar 29th 2017, 08:41 PM   #16
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by equinity
Except my bike was a quarter of the price.

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What's sexy about that?
Mar 29th 2017, 08:51 PM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Tacoma

  2018 Tuono V4 1100 (street), 2020 ZX6R (race)
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
What's sexy about that?
Got me on that.
Mar 30th 2017, 06:06 AM   #18
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
Nothing is as sexy as this:

this is, and it meets the 1/4 price requirement.

Mar 30th 2017, 07:14 AM   #19
 lazyeye's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Lebanon, OR

  2017 Ducati Supersport 2014 Honda Interceptor
Honda does what Honda wants, not what you want. Remember the NM4? The rider is nothing more than ballast to big red.

Seriously though you might look into the Adventure bike they built out of the 14-16 VFR. Thats kinda naked sportbikey.
Mar 30th 2017, 08:06 AM   #20
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
I thought "Standard" refers strictly to the seating position. So if we take VFR, replace clip-ons with a taller handlebar, and move pegs a bit forward, maybe add a flatter seat, it will become a "Standard", even with the same frame and fairings.
Nope, that would be a "Naked" VFR.

The "Standard" has a full, steel tube, frame with a near horizontal back-bone. No sub-frame for the seat. These bikes don't use the engine as a stressed-member of the frame. Honda's CB1300 was a modern Standard, but they've eliminated that one in favor of the "Retro Standard" CB1100. Suzuki's Bandit 1200 is their closest thing to a standard, though they call the SV a standard when it isn't.

And yes, Nakeds got their start as what was called "Streetfighters". These were bikes cobbled together after a crash without replacing the fairings, often adding aftermarket headlights or just bolting the original headlight buckets back onto the frame. Manufacturers started to catch onto the idea and began using their sport bikes as the starting place for making factory "streetfighters" or "Naked" sport bikes.

Edited by VeritasImageryNW on Mar 30th 2017 at 08:12 AM
Mar 30th 2017, 08:54 AM   #21
 equinity's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Tacoma

  2018 Tuono V4 1100 (street), 2020 ZX6R (race)
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Originally Posted by lazyeye
Honda does what Honda wants, not what you want. Remember the NM4? The rider is nothing more than ballast to big red.

Seriously though you might look into the Adventure bike they built out of the 14-16 VFR. Thats kinda naked sportbikey.
I have a friend that has a NM4 and he loves it. In Big Red's defense, they had to do something else with the NC700X engine and an over-grown scooter was probably their best option. Their styling choices are indefensible IMO, but to each their own. Friend loves that it looks like the bike from Akira.
Mar 30th 2017, 09:36 AM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
"How do we convince Honda to make a V4 naked?"

Go to Honda.
Stand out front.
Remove all your clothes.
Start talking.

or you could just buy a Tuono, which is literally the exact bike you are asking for.
I have a few problems with the Tuono:
  • It is an 1100. That is way too big/fast for what I need
  • Tuono gets around ~30 MPG. That to me is "car MPG" not "motorcycle MPG". That is one of the big reasons I ride a motorcycle. The VFR 800 is around 40.
  • It's not Japanese

So it looks like nudity is in my future...
Mar 30th 2017, 10:21 AM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
The "Standard" has a full, steel tube, frame with a near horizontal back-bone. No sub-frame for the seat. These bikes don't use the engine as a stressed-member of the frame.
To me, as an engineer, those are just implementation details, which have nothing to do with that the bike actually is. They may or may not influence the outcome, depending on the skills of the enginer.

BTW Royal Enfield is using the engine as a stressed member :P
Mar 30th 2017, 10:33 AM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by Red Label Moto
How do we convince them to do something they have never done before? Simple. We don't.

Over the years, Honda has never built a naked, all purpose "all-rounder" based on whatever their current supersport platform is. Of course they could press a button and do it. Of course it would be awesome. For whatever reason they don't do it.

I have wondered the same thing for decades. As have thousands of others. I finally built a Big H naked SS myself 3 years ago and absolutely love it. Only problem is I love a hyper slightly more 😂
What would you do to nakefy the VFR? Not an entirely idle question
Mar 30th 2017, 11:56 AM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
What would you do to nakefy the VFR? Not an entirely idle question
Here you go. A "naked" using the VFR800 chassis, engine and suspension.
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Mar 30th 2017, 12:14 PM   #26
 WarpShatner7's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

Nice. Is that a British Columbia plate? *google google*. Aha. It's in Alberta. And of course where else would you read about Canadian specials based on Japanese bikes but an Italian mag?

Edit: nope, was right the first time. Trust Italians not to know their Canadian provinces.

Scroll down in that second link and there's a pretty good youtube video where you get to hear it as well.

Edited by WarpShatner7 on Mar 30th 2017 at 03:30 PM
Mar 30th 2017, 02:24 PM   #27
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
BTW Royal Enfield is using the engine as a stressed member :P
Only on their "Classic" series. Those also do not use the conventional cradle frame. They also stray from the original Royal Enfield frames in that way. An exception to the rule, but still not a sport bike style frame.

Edited by VeritasImageryNW on Mar 30th 2017 at 02:33 PM
Mar 30th 2017, 05:43 PM   #28
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Actually, I had a "naked" Honda in 1979 that I loved. IRL it was a "UJM" but it meets at least some of your requirements.

Mar 30th 2017, 09:04 PM   #29
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
Actually, I had a "naked" Honda in 1979 that I loved. IRL it was a "UJM" but it meets at least some of your requirements.
Actually, that would be a "standard" by definition, considering everything was "naked" back then. Even the Goldwing didn't get a factory fairing until the mid '80s. Can't have a naked when there weren't any fairings to remove, or even sport bikes for that matter.

My first street bike was an '82 CB750F Super Sport.
Jul 3rd 2017, 05:05 PM   #30
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

This could be the basis of a naked v4 project bike:

https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/mcy/6203319225.html

Can't really tell much from the photo and the description's pretty lean but at this asking price if it's not ratted out mechanically it sounds like it could easily be worth whatever you can talk him down to.

EDIT: don't bother to click, it's gone now.

Edited by WarpShatner7 on Jul 6th 2017 at 02:30 PM Reason: Edit: it's gone now
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