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Feb 2nd 2021, 12:54 PM   #16
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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I agree, I've spent a lot of time on those shoulders. On the flip side though, if this is legalized, and demonstrative problems with debris, etc can be shown, it could open the door for expanding it to lane filtering.

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I disagree. If this law is passed, it may be the end of it. Lawmakers would say, if we keep it up,
"We gave you the shoulder, what more do you want? stop pestering us, you ungrateful serfs."
Or, "you took the risk, it's not our fault you got a flat on the shoulder. Are you SURE you weren't traveling too fast for conditions?"

IMO, it's lane sharing or nothing. Settling for a substandard solution may be worse than nothing. We have far too many drivers who will harass bikes, not matter on what portion of the road we're allow to pass.
I'd much rather be on the main lane when some self-righteous douche decides he doesn't like me passing him. On the shoulder? Now I have to avoid him, and deal with the bad surface and debris. And possibly a shoulder that evaporates to zero-width, with zero warning.
Feb 2nd 2021, 02:23 PM   #17
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  Sep 2018
  Lacey

  Indian Roadmaster
Valid points.

I would prefer lane filtering, absolutely. I was just opining that it could be a way to get in that direction. If we could get a little budge in the laws, then show that there is reason for additional exemptions, that might be one way to go. But you're right, I could see them stubbornly not budging after "graciously" providing shoulder usage.

I wouldn't want to be on the right shoulder in most areas, and would probably only use it within 500 feet or so of an exit I was taking.

DOT is too lax in sweeping the shoulders and engineering them to be meant for any safe travel.

Not even to mention the angry drivers. But at least those angry drivers would only be on one side of your bike, and possibly provide you with escape room, instead of being sandwiched between vehicles in the lanes.

Heck, my indian roadmaster is so big, I'm not even sure I could lane filter if it did become legal....

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Feb 2nd 2021, 05:54 PM   #18
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
Might want to think about this next time you're gridlocked, its 95 degrees or pouring rain...this isnt about creating another hi speed lane for motorcycles. At a 25mph limit, should give one enough time to see the tire gator or dead fender in the lane. If the lunatics want to split lanes at 70 i guess they'll continue as they do.
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Feb 2nd 2021, 10:03 PM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Multistrada Pikes Peak, VFR800, VStrom 650, TE 610
Got a friend who's been riding the shoulder for years on occasion running with sport bike tires and never once gotten a flat, even loaded for a long trip. As with anything else you just have to learn how to do it carefully... like riding a mc!?!

Lots of goofy shit above to shake my head at and with all the disagreeing. Is it any wonder it'll never get passed if WE can't even agree?
Fuck me runnin'!

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Feb 3rd 2021, 05:39 PM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

the only place I ride the shoulder routinely is if I find myself trying to get into Portland from the East via I-84 any time between 3:00 and 7:00pm on a weekday. It's typically backed up for miles in all lanes, mostly because of the one lane at the end that takes commuters home into Vancouver WA. Everyone else is pretty much screwed because hey cheap lots and low property tax.

But nobody minds if you bumble along on the shoulder at maybe 15 per, and on an air-cooled bike in the hottest part of the day in summer, I'm doin' it.
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Feb 4th 2021, 02:11 PM   #21
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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Originally Posted by Mack
Valid points.

I would prefer lane filtering, absolutely. I was just opining that it could be a way to get in that direction. If we could get a little budge in the laws, then show that there is reason for additional exemptions, that might be one way to go. But you're right, I could see them stubbornly not budging after "graciously" providing shoulder usage.

I wouldn't want to be on the right shoulder in most areas, and would probably only use it within 500 feet or so of an exit I was taking.

DOT is too lax in sweeping the shoulders and engineering them to be meant for any safe travel.

Not even to mention the angry drivers. But at least those angry drivers would only be on one side of your bike, and possibly provide you with escape room, instead of being sandwiched between vehicles in the lanes.

Heck, my indian roadmaster is so big, I'm not even sure I could lane filter if it did become legal....

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Absolutely. The areas (in Western WA) where we most need lane splitting . .. are the areas where they've narrowed each lane (and reduced/eliminated shoulder width) to add capacity, such as Aurora, I-5, I-405, etc.

Filtering at signals is absent from the current bill, but needs to be added.
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Feb 5th 2021, 07:49 AM   #22
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
The House Transportation Committee hearing went well yesterday. To e noted there is a Democrat cosponsor of the bill Rep Goodman. If he's your rep connect with him and thank him. Highway Transportation Safety was neutral on the bill so at least they didnt oppose it. Opposition came from WSP and the Sherriffs and Police Chiefs Association.
Testimony went positively in favor. So...next step. The bill must pass out of committee before the 15th. Please contact your legislators on the Transportation Committee asking for a "do pass" from them. If your legislators aren't on the Transportation Committee contact them and ask that they support this. If you don't know who your legislators are its a good time to find out. leg.wa.gov has all the info you need to do this and is easy to navigate.
Feb 5th 2021, 12:55 PM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi, 20 MT-07
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Originally Posted by Akdawg
The House Transportation Committee hearing went well yesterday. To e noted there is a Democrat cosponsor of the bill Rep Goodman. If he's your rep connect with him and thank him. Highway Transportation Safety was neutral on the bill so at least they didnt oppose it. Opposition came from WSP and the Sherriffs and Police Chiefs Association.
Testimony went positively in favor. So...next step. The bill must pass out of committee before the 15th. Please contact your legislators on the Transportation Committee asking for a "do pass" from them. If your legislators aren't on the Transportation Committee contact them and ask that they support this. If you don't know who your legislators are its a good time to find out. leg.wa.gov has all the info you need to do this and is easy to navigate.
As a follow on, here are some quick "style points" for reaching out to your legislators.
  • Reference the bill by number (HB 1254)
  • Ask for their support in moving the issue forward
  • Speak only to the positives of the actual proposal and never mention any potential downside unless your representative has expressed concerns.
  • Respectfully educate your representative as to why the perceived downside is not truly an issue.
  • Do not confuse the issue by even mentioning lane splitting or filtering.
  • I shouldn't have to say this, but be polite and non partisan.
  • If you cannot document the facts behind your points then don't make them. Never lie to a legislator.

I will be working up some "talking points" in rebuttal to the WASPC, WSP, and WASHDOT opposition expressed in the hearing which I will post up later
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Feb 5th 2021, 03:44 PM   #25
 
  Sep 2020
  Kitsap

  R1250RT, DL-1000
I think that allowing shoulder riding without lane splitting would be a relatively useless bill, regardless of the intent, mostly because of the debris.

California specifically does not permit shoulder riding, only lane filtering. Having that be legal takes away the need to allow use of shoulders, IMO; in my 5+ years of living in and riding CA highways after filtering was allowed, I never once desired the utility of a road shoulder. The lane stripes were just as clean as the rest of the traffic lanes in most urban areas, and I only needed to filter when traffic was slow.
Feb 17th 2021, 07:21 AM   #26
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
As this bill apparently, as I'm told, is a fiscal bill because it's in the House Transportation Committee. (Texas, correct me if I'm wrong) we have until the 21st for it to be voted out of Transportation. It then goes to Rules Committee where it needs to be voted out by 3/22 before a House vote. Continue with contacting your legislators on the Transportation Committee. I've heard there are MC riders on the committee, Barkis, Sutherland, Boehnke, Greener & Eslick?? Comment to them can't hurt....
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Feb 17th 2021, 09:01 AM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

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Originally Posted by Akdawg
we have until the 21st for it to be voted out of Transportation.
22nd


https://leg.wa.gov/legislature/Pages/cutoff.aspx
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Feb 25th 2021, 08:39 AM   #28
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  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
It appears the ABATE of Washington bills are dead for this year.....we had 2 sponsored bills only 1 got a hearing, but never got out of committee before the cutoff date. There's next year....in the mean time try to connect with your legislators, when theyre in their home office etc. Let them know that there's interest in these bills
Feb 25th 2021, 02:16 PM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi, 20 MT-07
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Originally Posted by Akdawg
It appears the ABATE of Washington bills are dead for this year.....we had 2 sponsored bills only 1 got a hearing, but never got out of committee before the cutoff date. There's next year....in the mean time try to connect with your legislators, when theyre in their home office etc. Let them know that there's interest in these bills
And as a follow on, make sure that you understand what is in the actual legislation and stick to that topic. Don't talk lane splitting or left shoulder riding when discussing the shoulder riding bill.
Feb 25th 2021, 08:48 PM   #30
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
I dunno man. Seems that every year, responsible, intelligent like-minded people bring responsible amendments to "legislatures" and law makers, and every year new bills or ideas or whatever, can't even make it "out of committee" and/or to the floor for a vote, cuz they're too busy wasting money and time renaming high school mascots. Don't get me wrong, those of you who passionately and relentlessly pursue your agendas are fighting the good fight, and are definitely in the minority. Doesn't it get old trying to play their game, with their ever-changing rules, personalities, personnel, poll-watching, grandstanding, finger-pointing, backstabbing, lie-to-your-face type of layered bureaucratic posturing? What's the point?

These walk-out-on-the-job deniers and crybabies do nothing and get paid for it. And they get re-elected by middle school drop outs who couldn't even tell you who their 2 elected state senators are. Even if any of these sensible ideas were "made into law", would any of these elitist idiot cagers, etc, know what is legal, and would they even care? Do you think lawmakers would provide the necessary PSA's to "educate" said morons? Would morons even pay attention? I find it highly unlikely.

But then again, once again, I live in Oregon. Where no endeavor goes untaxed, and even if it everyone knows it, and they want to in good faith change it, pansy ass wimp Trumpublicans walk out like 2nd graders with their ball and go home. And it's not like I don't hold the PC addicted liberals accountable, either. They're guilty of obstructionism just like the Turtle himself. I call on every rider on this site to say "Fuck em". I'm gonna do what I want in a responsible way. You know, like the previously banned hard alcohol manufacturers who used to not be able to advertise on TV and such, but now it's all about "drinking responsibly". Yeah, right. Fuckin hypocrites can kiss my speed limit breaking, lane splitting ass.

But then again, I could be wrong. That's just my OPINION. Ever heard of it? Everyone is entitled to one, even if you don't agree with it. It's called America.
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