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Feb 20th 2020, 07:44 AM   #106
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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Solar on every roof in the US would be a great start, but would only produce 40% of our electricity.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...e-the-numbers/



If every passenger car in California was electric, all those solar panels would produce only 50% of the states electricity. (While trucks, trains and boats continued to use the ICE)

https://www.citylab.com/transportati...c-cars/577507/
I should have mentioned, but didn't, that existing and permitted solar farms, hydro, wind are included in my 'every roof' comment.

You're right. JUST solar-collecting rooftops cannot, currently, supply all our needs. But a massive contribution. That's at current efficiency. Where will we be in 5 years?

In ten years, if the US decided to do it, ala the Manhattan Project or the Moon Landing, we could achieve 100% renewable. Standing on our heads we could do it.
The first step is my aforementioned 'fuck-off' to the fossil fuel industry, status-quo-adherers, science deniers and people who are wedded to what they 'know' (nuclear) at the expense of their foresight and imagination.

Here's the nascent work of someone near and dear to me: https://ourplanet365.com

Edited by FireDave on Feb 20th 2020 at 07:47 AM
Feb 20th 2020, 01:53 PM   #107
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  Feb 2016
  Seattle

But what is the opportunity cost of investing that much into less efficient energy production? China continues development of a carbon fueled economy and ultimately has much lower energy and production costs (even if there is an unaccounted for externality in their approach). So in a decade we have 100% renewables and make nothing, with minimal economic growth leading to austerity measures and social chaos, while our economic adversaries have grown stronger.

The solution, as always, is always greater efficiency. I have no bias against trickle down fusion cells on my roof, but if they aren’t economical I’m not buying them.
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Feb 20th 2020, 04:56 PM   #108
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2016 R1, 1999 R1
Global warming is an existential threat. You obviously don’t get that yet. But you will. And soon.

“People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth.” ~ Greta Thunberg to the United Nations
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Feb 20th 2020, 05:31 PM   #109
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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But what is the opportunity cost of investing that much into less efficient energy production? China continues development of a carbon fueled economy and ultimately has much lower energy and production costs (even if there is an unaccounted for externality in their approach). So in a decade we have 100% renewables and make nothing, with minimal economic growth leading to austerity measures and social chaos, while our economic adversaries have grown stronger.

The solution, as always, is always greater efficiency. I have no bias against trickle down fusion cells on my roof, but if they arenít economical Iím not buying them.
We're long past the point where it's about money. It's about mass-extinction, the human's on-going erasure of biodiversity, and the retention of this planet's ability to support complex life.

Opportunity cost of investing in the future? I think you're looking at it from the wrong direction.
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Feb 20th 2020, 07:55 PM   #110
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  Jan 2016
  NW

I agree with Mike (a little, anyways). To fight climate change effectively we need every country to contribute. If we can market renewable energy technology that is cheaper than oil and coal then every country will buy in just for economic reasons.
Trying to convince the world that climate change is a real and serious issue has not gone well so far. Even our current POTUS thinks its a hoax.
Feb 20th 2020, 09:12 PM   #111
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2016 R1, 1999 R1
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I agree with Mike (a little, anyways). To fight climate change effectively we need every country to contribute. If we can market renewable energy technology that is cheaper than oil and coal then every country will buy in just for economic reasons.
Trying to convince the world that climate change is a real and serious issue has not gone well so far. Even our current POTUS thinks its a hoax.
It is that thinking that has brought us to the brink of annihilation.

Permitting no action to be taken while one greedy, destructive industry is still profitable (even while it hid and discredited the science denying us all the ability to weigh benefit versus risk of that industry) is the tragic history of our common destruction.

It is well past the time that we leave it to the markets to decide what is best for humanity. This is only one reason the majority of people are turning away from capitalism...

Edited by Transported on Feb 20th 2020 at 09:16 PM
Feb 20th 2020, 11:04 PM   #112
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

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Trying to convince the world that climate change is a real and serious issue has not gone well so far. Even our current POTUS thinks its a hoax.
I'm not sure just where you get that information...our current POTUS isn't very smart or informed and is not indicative of the rest of the world...the term hoax is only being used in one country that I know of and the people that are doing it are simply liars...both India and China are hard at work on the climate problems..once again anyone that tells you otherwise is lying to you...both of them are heavily invested in those Thorium nuke reactors that the righties seem to be in love with and are building them...India's..the furthest ahead..will come online in 2050...way too late...it's not like the rest of the leaders are total dead head like our POTUS and are ignoring the problem...the EU regulations being a very good example...all major car manufacturers of the world are investing in electric cars..and trucks...
the people who say there's no climate change or global warming are the kind of people that say the earth is flat..because "just take a look" or because "the bible says so" as reasoning...btw the bible does say the earth is flat...

Edited by chadams66 on Feb 20th 2020 at 11:07 PM
Feb 21st 2020, 07:38 AM   #113
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

The Earth is ending! The Earth is ending! The Earth is ending!

You best sell all your stuff now, cheep, while you can! Particularly any oil burning stuff you have so you can do your part to save the planet.

Send me a list with prices and I may help you out...
Feb 21st 2020, 04:03 PM   #114
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  Jan 2016
  NW

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I'm not sure just where you get that information... ...both India and China are hard at work on the climate problems.. anyone that tells you otherwise is lying to you...
Indias investment in nuclear and renewable energy sources is more economic than environmental. In fact, they struggle to acquire enough coal to keep their power plants running.

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The miners are unable to meet their production targets. The government wanted Coal India to produce 1 billion metric tons of coal by fiscal 2020.. ..Indian coal plants are unable to maintain enough fuel stock due to these reasons and many Indian coal power plants are forced to shut down due to coal shortages
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Like most other countries, they will fuel their economy by whatever resource is least expensive and available.

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Solar and wind power are already the cheapest form of new power generation sources in India. Some of the cheapest new-build solar and wind farms are even cheaper than running many of the existing coal-fired stations in India.
https://poweringpastcoal.org/insight...term-headwinds

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 21st 2020 at 04:22 PM
Feb 21st 2020, 04:23 PM   #115
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Indias investment in nuclear and renewable energy sources is more economic than environmental. In fact, they struggle to acquire enough coal to keep their power plants running.

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Like most other countries, they will fuel their economy by whatever resource is least expensive and available.



https://poweringpastcoal.org/insight...term-headwinds
sigh..as they used to say on Monday Night Football..C'MON MAN...

https://www.toppr.com/ask/question/s...ution-include/

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/94/7/16-020716/en/

no doubt about it your information source sucks the big one...
Feb 21st 2020, 05:15 PM   #116
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  Jan 2016
  NW

While related, fighting air pollution is not the same as fighting climate change. Creating CO2 with less pollutants is still creating CO2.

from your sources..
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The sources of India’s air pollution are many: indoor cook stoves, road traffic – including the ubiquitous auto-rickshaws that use a toxic mix of kerosene and diesel – industrial plants that burn fossil fuels and open burning of waste.
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Everything I see in Delhi today happened in California in the 1960s.
With your logic, California was the first state to tackle climate change in the 60s and 70s. (while increasing CO2 emissions every year)
Feb 21st 2020, 06:00 PM   #117
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  Jan 2016
  NW

OK, I'm wrong... India is actually doing something to fight climate change...
This is really impressive!

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Indiaís Answer to Global Warming: Cows That Belch Less

Let no one say that India isnít doing its bit to fight global climate change: Government scientists are working hard to reduce carbon emissions by making cows less flatulent.

Consider the numbers: India is home to more than 280 million cows, and 200 million more ruminant animals like sheep, goats, yaks and buffalo. According to an analysis of satellite data from the countryís space program, all those digestive tracts send 13 million tons of methane into the atmosphere every year ó and pound for pound, methane traps 25 times as much heat as carbon dioxide does.

So reducing animal flatulence might actually do some good ó especially in India, where there is little chance of cutting back the use of fossil fuels anytime soon. (In fact, the country expects to double its coal production by 2019.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/w...emissions.html
Feb 23rd 2020, 11:55 AM   #118
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Lots happening.

Just wanted to add -

The sun is changing. The whole solar system is changing. That seems clear. It isn't simple, I guess, but it is definitely happening in places other than the Earth.

We do need to prepare, but paying more for gasoline is not part of that. That just makes the current scheme harder, the rich richer.

We should have more resilient infrastructure, food, power, clothing, medicine, the whole "necessary" economy could be improved, maybe move away from low-lying areas.

We could do with a LOT less "garbage economy", fewer cheap chinese plastic products, better methods of packaging (those plastic apple crates at Costco seem to be a perfect example of dumb shit).

It would be nice if we made more of our own stuff closer to home. At least the necessary stuff like food, clothes, power, medicine, our houses.

These kinds of things would help us deal intelligently with the change that IS happening.

But paying the government and corporate giants more money will not. Bitching at each other will not.

Just saying. I don't think it's your Camry that's doing it.

YMMV.

Peace.
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Feb 24th 2020, 01:51 PM   #119
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Just watched this:

Based on the history of pretty much ... everything ... electric vehicles are coming, fast, hard.

I think the oil dudes know this, and are keeping the price of gasoline pretty low for a reason, to slow down the shift that IS coming.

But here's the relevant part for PNWM - "By 2030 we are going to be talking about taking drivers licenses away from humans because they are so dangerous."

He said this in the context of the rapidly-increasing safety of autonomous vehicles. They are already WAY safer than humans, no matter what the news tells you when someone gets their head chopped off.

This means e-bikes might not even be allowed to exist on the roads. So maybe bike lanes and small e-bikes and small off-road areas will be all we get. Well, all "they" get since I'm already old.

Any way, thought others might want to hear this.

I'm considering a Sur Ron and commuting via bike lanes. Honestly, if the ferry would let me take one onboard I'd already do it. Anything to avoid frigging Gorst.

Edited by Sentinel on Feb 24th 2020 at 02:26 PM
Feb 24th 2020, 03:29 PM   #120
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  Jan 2016
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I'm considering a Sur Ron and commuting via bike lanes. Honestly, if the ferry would let me take one onboard I'd already do it. Anything to avoid frigging Gorst.
say what? I live in Oregon so I don't keep up with the ferries..but no electric bikes?
what's up with Gorst? is it as bad as Port Orchard?
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