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Feb 18th 2020, 02:58 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by FireDave
Yes, industrialized countries can achieve 100% renewable. It's a matter of political will, infrastructure, and a nationalistic willingness to tell big-oil and big coal to fuck-off.

If every square foot of EVERY roof in Germany, the US, or anywhere else was solar-collecting, that nation would be meeting all their needs AND exporting electricity.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news...irst-time-ever.
During the day. You don’t use electricity at night?
Feb 18th 2020, 03:49 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
Thorium cycle breeder reactors. Prove me wrong.
yup..I think I referenced those earlier as Molten Salt reactors...whereas I think they have great promise..I don't know the cost of them and haven't seen any breakdowns along those lines...like all things nothing is as pure as the driven snow and problems have a way of popping up...

https://thebulletin.org/2018/08/thor...inium-problem/

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...uclear-uranium

https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html

btw..I wasn't drunk..but I have often thought you were...especially when you brought up the "at night" dead horse again...asked and answered..more than once..every time you bring it up...you do know that it would have to be a socialist program..aka taxpayer funded..to get one of these off of the ground..right?

Edited by chadams66 on Feb 18th 2020 at 04:51 PM
Feb 18th 2020, 04:43 PM   #93
 
  Mar 2016
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
During the day. You don’t use electricity at night?

so many words to say nothing at all . . . that's quite a skill you're honing. Try a little imagination.
Feb 18th 2020, 04:46 PM   #94
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

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Originally Posted by Scribbles
For 15 min at 6 am while everyone was asleep on new years day.. Renewables briefly provided 100% of the countries electricity needs.

That article states that Germany meets 36% of its electricity needs with renewables but does not include the oil, gas and deisel burned for transportation and manufacturing.

I'd bet when you add that in, renewables are providing less than 15% of their energy needs.
My article makes it clear what the article says, duh. I don't need your incomplete summary. The primary reason I posted it . . . is to show what's been achieved, the timeline for achieving their goal. They'll get there.
Feb 18th 2020, 05:17 PM   #95
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Well now. When the "conversation" becomes traded insults the "discussion" is over. I SAY GOOD DAY!
Feb 18th 2020, 05:26 PM   #96
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My article makes it clear what the article says, duh.
No, it doesn't. The article is either misleading or lying. The headline states 100%, but the truth is less than 15%. It uses the deceptive term of "power use" to refer to electricity use. I guess gasoline engines do not produce power..

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 19th 2020 at 10:44 AM
Feb 18th 2020, 07:36 PM   #97
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The 7 reasons why nuclear energy is not the answer to solve climate change

“Nuclear advocates claim nuclear is still needed because renewables are intermittent and need natural gas for backup. However, nuclear itself never matches power demand so it needs backup. Even in France with one of the most advanced nuclear energy programs, the maximum ramp rate is 1 to 5 % per minute, which means they need natural gas, hydropower, or batteries, which ramp up 5 to 100 times faster, to meet peaks in demand. Today, in fact, batteries are beating natural gas for wind and solar backup needs throughout the world. A dozen independent scientific groups have further found that it is possible to match intermittent power demand with clean, renewable energy supply and storage, without nuclear, at low cost.”

https://www.leonardodicaprio.org/the...limate-change/

Dispelling the nuclear 'baseload' myth: nothing renewables can't do better!

“The main claim used to justify nuclear is that it's the only low carbon power source that can supply 'reliable, baseload electricity', writes Mark Diesendorf - unlike wind and solar. But not only can renewables supply baseload power, they can do something far more valuable: supply power flexibly according to demand. Now nuclear power really is redundant.

“Underlying this claim are three key assumptions. First, that baseload power is actually a good and necessary thing. In fact, what it really means is too much power when you don't want it, and not enough when you do. What we need is flexible power (and flexible demand too) so that supply and demand can be matched instant by instant.

“The second assumption is that nuclear power is a reliable baseload supplier. In fact it's no such thing. All nuclear power stations are subject to tripping out for safety reasons or technical faults. That means that an electricity system that includes a 3.2GW nuclear power station needs at least 3.2GW of expensive 'spinning reserve' that can be called in at a moment's notice.

“The third is that the only way to supply baseload power is from baseload power stations, such as nuclear, coal and gas, designed to run flat-out all the time whether their power is actually needed or not. That's wrong too.”

https://theecologist.org/2016/mar/10...cant-do-better
Feb 18th 2020, 09:21 PM   #98
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  Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by FireDave
so many words to say nothing at all . . . that's quite a skill you're honing. Try a little imagination.
Imagination doesn’t power the lights, you know. I said you are bullshitting, this is not nothing.
Feb 18th 2020, 09:27 PM   #99
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  Seattle

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Originally Posted by chadams66
yup..I think I referenced those earlier as Molten Salt reactors...whereas I think they have great promise..I don't know the cost of them and haven't seen any breakdowns along those lines...like all things nothing is as pure as the driven snow and problems have a way of popping up...


https://thebulletin.org/2018/08/thor...inium-problem/

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...uclear-uranium

https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html

btw..I wasn't drunk..but I have often thought you were...especially when you brought up the "at night" dead horse again...asked and answered..more than once..every time you bring it up...you do know that it would have to be a socialist program..aka taxpayer funded..to get one of these off of the ground..right?
Are, molten salts. Guess what, Obama tried to subsidize them, turned out total bullshit, as expected from a socialist project. Wasted $700 millions with nothing to show for it, but many politically connected crooks made it out like bandits:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cres...Energy_Project
Feb 18th 2020, 09:30 PM   #100
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Transported
The 7 reasons why nuclear energy is not the answer to solve climate change

“Nuclear advocates claim nuclear is still needed because renewables are intermittent and need natural gas for backup. However, nuclear itself never matches power demand so it needs backup. Even in France with one of the most advanced nuclear energy programs, the maximum ramp rate is 1 to 5 % per minute, which means they need natural gas, hydropower, or batteries, which ramp up 5 to 100 times faster, to meet peaks in demand. Today, in fact, batteries are beating natural gas for wind and solar backup needs throughout the world. A dozen independent scientific groups have further found that it is possible to match intermittent power demand with clean, renewable energy supply and storage, without nuclear, at low cost.”

https://www.leonardodicaprio.org/the...limate-change/

Dispelling the nuclear 'baseload' myth: nothing renewables can't do better!

“The main claim used to justify nuclear is that it's the only low carbon power source that can supply 'reliable, baseload electricity', writes Mark Diesendorf - unlike wind and solar. But not only can renewables supply baseload power, they can do something far more valuable: supply power flexibly according to demand. Now nuclear power really is redundant.

“Underlying this claim are three key assumptions. First, that baseload power is actually a good and necessary thing. In fact, what it really means is too much power when you don't want it, and not enough when you do. What we need is flexible power (and flexible demand too) so that supply and demand can be matched instant by instant.

“The second assumption is that nuclear power is a reliable baseload supplier. In fact it's no such thing. All nuclear power stations are subject to tripping out for safety reasons or technical faults. That means that an electricity system that includes a 3.2GW nuclear power station needs at least 3.2GW of expensive 'spinning reserve' that can be called in at a moment's notice.

“The third is that the only way to supply baseload power is from baseload power stations, such as nuclear, coal and gas, designed to run flat-out all the time whether their power is actually needed or not. That's wrong too.”

https://theecologist.org/2016/mar/10...cant-do-better
Oh, now we’re quoting washed up Hollywood celebrities as reliable source of scientific information?

You, sir, are an idiot.
Feb 18th 2020, 10:08 PM   #101
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You mean the actor and well-known worldwide activist who led in the multiple nominated and winner of Oscar and Golden Globe awards just this year? You mean the guy who produces some of the most influential and respected documentaries about our dying planet and social injustice for years running?

And the other article is not by a “washed up” actor.

I could have spent time locating sources that meet your knee-jerk radical-right point of view. But the future is ours, and I was just citing examples where nuclear is not only not necessary but is being supplanted by better technologies as we speak.

Read the second article and you will see how countries are developing renewable grids that don’t rely on nuclear or any non renewable sources.

It is funny how you post biased articles from right wingers and when we question the source, you are the first to say we attack the source and not the facts.
Feb 19th 2020, 04:06 AM   #102
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Settle down kids.
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Feb 19th 2020, 08:22 AM   #103
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Good grief. This really has spiralled downhill. Looks like a duel with tasers is in the works!
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Feb 19th 2020, 09:25 AM   #104
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Feb 19th 2020, 10:33 AM   #105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave

If every square foot of EVERY roof in Germany, the US, or anywhere else was solar-collecting, that nation would be meeting all their needs AND exporting electricity.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news...irst-time-ever.
Solar on every roof in the US would be a great start, but would only produce 40% of our electricity.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...e-the-numbers/

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California, for example, could supply 74 percent of its total electricity use by covering its buildings with solar panels, while Wyoming could only get to about 14 percent.
If every passenger car in California was electric, all those solar panels would produce only 50% of the states electricity. (While trucks, trains and boats continued to use the ICE)

https://www.citylab.com/transportati...c-cars/577507/

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California might require nearly 50 percent more electricity than it currently consumes if passenger vehicles in the state were fully electrified.

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 19th 2020 at 07:00 PM
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