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Feb 17th 2020, 03:22 PM   #76
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Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
Gotta say while I'm firmly on the anti-fossil side of this argument, I'm open to persuasion about nuclear. Love to see an independent, non-conflicted, fully-costed program using proven technology, that showed that the end-to-end fuel life cycle risks were mitigated without wishful thinking or ignoring several herds of large angry elephants in the room and presented without verbal abuse, preferably by someone who doesn't also believe that Atlas Shrugged is the third volume of the bible.
I've been in a nuclear industry for 40 years.
It is WICKED expensive.
WICKED.
And it cannot be free of toxicity and waste.
It aint possible.
I would not trust nuclear power done under the pressures of profit.
No.way.
To do it right you must have a spare-no-expense attitude.
It's tough business.
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Feb 17th 2020, 05:28 PM   #77
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As much as I like renewable energy resources. Wind,solar and bio-fuels just can not meet the enormous energy demands of our society. Here's David Mckay explaining why its so difficult.

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 17th 2020 at 06:01 PM
Feb 17th 2020, 05:33 PM   #78
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While nuclear energy has plenty of issues, it can provide energy cheaper than fossil fueled power plants. New technologies may make them even cheaper and safer.
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Feb 17th 2020, 05:37 PM   #79
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I've read that proven oil and gas reserves will be used up in about 50 years (there will still be plenty of coal), I expect that will be replaced with a combination of renewables and nuclear power. (but the damage to our atmosphere will have been done..)
There is a European scientist who thinks we should be spending money adapting to climate change instead of fighting it. He's convinced that its coming and we wont be able to prevent it. His views are very unpopular but time will tell if he's right.

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 17th 2020 at 05:55 PM
Feb 17th 2020, 07:56 PM   #80
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Originally Posted by chadams66
well there's a simple answers to your question..which has been answered by many..many times over...the first one would be "storage"
Yeah, show me the math. What kind of storage, how much will it cost, what is the environmental impact. Othetwise it's just bloviating, meantime we're having a climate emergency and have to solve the problem right fucking now.

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the second would be the newer nukes that have NONE of the problems "greenies" complain about or have lawsuits about...oh I referenced them too...
I know it can be hard for people..on both sides..to keep up with what is actually happening..
In theory, yes. In practice, I still see greenies foam at the mouth when hearing the word "nuclear". Maybe when they die off and new generation rises up, but I don't see nuclear anywhere in the "Green New Deal" the millenials are so happy about; meantime we're having a climate emergency and have to solve the problem right fucking now.
Feb 17th 2020, 08:03 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by FireDave
Nuclear is cheap and clean? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
No, but you apparently were dropped on your head.

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BTW, I've some prime real estate in Chernobyl, beachfront in Fukushima Prefecture for you. It's cheap. Clean! Just don't eat any of the food you might grow there, and the three-eyed dogs don't bite, much. The fish off the beach in Japan will be safe to eat in about 1,000 years.
These reactors, in case you were dropped on your head twice and cannot read, are of inherently unsafe design - i.e. they need incoming electricity to cool down, otherwise they heat up and go near-critical.

The new reactors, on the other hand, are inherently safe - disconnect electricity, blow up the control room, or shoot all the operators - they just gradually shut down and cool down.

Is it clear or should I type slower? Need some easy reading with pictures?

Do you even know, in your ignorant self-importance, why those designs were chosen? Probably not. I'll tell you - it's because the main goal of these reactors was to produce raw materials for nuclear bombs, and energy was a side effect and a cover. Now, we don't have to do it anymore, and the thorium cycle doesn't produce any bomb material anyway - or any nuclear waste for that matter.
Feb 17th 2020, 08:04 PM   #82
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yeah this statement is the weirdest (and that's being kind) one you've ever made..and that is saying something...just where in the hell did you get this one? this is the first time I know I've ever heard it..and hell I'm a greenie..I love to hug some trees...was it Rush?
did you actually type the words "cheap clean" and not bust out laughing yourself? you know what? everybody else did...

"The point is the trends, not the absolute numbers. Our numbers are going down a bit, while others' numbers are shooting up sharply." dude do you always get everything backward? who is it that tells you these things? your source of information really really sucks...you know that source makes you look bad..really bad...oh there's something about "absolute" numbers..they tell you which way the trend is trending...oops...do you read what you type?
Were you drunk when you typed all this?
Feb 17th 2020, 08:06 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
I've read that proven oil and gas reserves will be used up in about 50 years (there will still be plenty of coal), I expect that will be replaced with a combination of renewables and nuclear power. (but the damage to our atmosphere will have been done..)
There is a European scientist who thinks we should be spending money adapting to climate change instead of fighting it. He's convinced that its coming and we wont be able to prevent it. His views are very unpopular but time will tell if he's right.
Yeah, it's interesting point, but relocating billions of people involves more than just money.

I think the combination of the planting of trillions of trees, and nuclear/solar energy will get us back to normal much easier. Bonus feature, trees are cool and huggable.
Feb 17th 2020, 08:07 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
I've been in a nuclear industry for 40 years.
It is WICKED expensive.
WICKED.
And it cannot be free of toxicity and waste.
It aint possible.
Thorium cycle breeder reactors. Prove me wrong.
Feb 18th 2020, 04:36 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Mudslinger
New Green Technology from UMass Amherst Generates Electricity ‘Out of Thin Air’
That produces as much power as a potato battery. Not quite enough to change the world.


Feb 18th 2020, 06:28 AM   #86
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wtf "greenies"?

as if you don't live in a closed cycle.

you realize that every chemical you pour on the ground ends up in your kids drinking water, and that when you roll coal to teach the Prius nerds a lesson you BREATHE that shit.

don't you?

do you shit on your living room carpet?

do you piss in your bathtub?

do you drink Roundup?

*takes a breath*
Feb 18th 2020, 12:29 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
wtf "greenies"?

as if you don't live in a closed cycle.

you realize that every chemical you pour on the ground ends up in your kids drinking water, and that when you roll coal to teach the Prius nerds a lesson you BREATHE that shit.

don't you?

do you shit on your living room carpet?

do you piss in your bathtub?

do you drink Roundup?

*takes a breath*
Chill, gramps, I am a member of Greenpeace since 1986. The difference between Greens and greenies is like between virologists and anti-vaxxers. The former ones are concerned with the environmental impact and seek workable solutions to mitigate it and improve nature, the later ones are foaming at the mouth in full body hysteria, and propose nonsensical idiocies like Green New Deal.

We good?
Feb 18th 2020, 01:10 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by Mudslinger
Here ya go. We are all saved. End of discussion.
Seems every few days someone comes up with a miracle "perpetual motion" machine.

"New Green Technology from UMass Amherst Generates Electricity ‘Out of Thin Air"


https://www.umass.edu/newsoffice/art...-umass-amherst

https://scitechdaily.com/new-inventi...n-energy-24-7/
I would guess you have something that refutes these findings? btw..I didn't see any mention of perpetual motion machines and I have never seen mention of one every few days...exaggeration to try and prove a nonexistent point? have you heard..people can send messages and pictures over the thin air? yeah it's magic or something...do you know what a Luddite is? keep slinging the mud...
Feb 18th 2020, 02:05 PM   #89
 
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Originally Posted by Scribbles
As much as I like renewable energy resources. Wind,solar and bio-fuels just can not meet the enormous energy demands of our society. Here's David Mckay explaining why its so difficult.
Yes, industrialized countries can achieve 100% renewable. It's a matter of political will, infrastructure, and a nationalistic willingness to tell big-oil and big coal to fuck-off.

If every square foot of EVERY roof in Germany, the US, or anywhere else was solar-collecting, that nation would be meeting all their needs AND exporting electricity.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news...irst-time-ever.
Feb 18th 2020, 02:34 PM   #90
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Originally Posted by FireDave
Yes, industrialized countries can achieve 100% renewable. .
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Renewables cover about 100% of German power use for first time ever
For 15 min at 6 am while everyone was asleep on new years day.. Renewables briefly provided 100% of the countries electricity needs.

That article states that Germany meets 36% of its electricity needs with renewables but does not include the oil, gas and deisel burned for transportation and manufacturing.

I'd bet when you add that in, renewables are providing less than 15% of their energy needs.


Edited by Scribbles on Feb 18th 2020 at 02:49 PM
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