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Feb 13th 2020, 06:07 PM   #46
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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It is true that an automobile of any sort is a huge consumer of resources. Preferable would be walking, bicycling or public transportation in electric vehicles.

The grid should be switched from fossil fuels to renewables with carbon offsets as we transition. Now that solar and wind are competitive with coal and gas, the switch is occurring rapidly.

Electric cars are not the answer. But they are much better than greenhouse-gas producing vehicles.

It is always follow the money to some degree when capitalist economies are involved.
Feb 14th 2020, 07:52 AM   #47
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
The planet and atmosphere needed to get 400 million ICEs off the road 30 years ago. Now, it's probably too late. Extreme measures are warranted.
Feb 14th 2020, 11:45 AM   #48
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  Portland

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Yep. The Parts Per Million of carbon in the atmosphere went beyond the never-exceed limit of 400 PPM a couple of years ago.

And, just this week, scientists announced we are heading into the 420 PPM area (literally “no-man’s land”).

But, who believes in scientists? Fucking eggheads who spend all their low-paid time researching the natural world. They probably don’t even twitter, for god’s sake.
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Feb 14th 2020, 01:12 PM   #49
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But, who believes in scientists? Fucking eggheads who spend all their low-paid time researching the natural world. They probably don’t even twitter, for god’s sake.
yeah those "scientist" (it's a religion) they tell us the world is a globe spinning at 10,000 miles per hour in "space"...holy hell everyone with half a brain and who isn't in the pocket of NASA knows the earth is flat and vaccines are evil..especially when given to kids...there's no way "pollution" from cars can "change" anything..especially the world...the end times are here anyway and none of this makes any difference...

you know you need a container to hold the atmoshpere "in"..otherwise the vacuum of space would suck it right off...there's no such thing as "gravity" only bouyancy...stop believing the lies of so-called scientist...
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Edited by chadams66 on Feb 14th 2020 at 01:20 PM
Feb 15th 2020, 12:02 PM   #50
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
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Originally Posted by Transported
Yep. The Parts Per Million of carbon in the atmosphere went beyond the never-exceed limit of 400 PPM a couple of years ago.

And, just this week, scientists announced we are heading into the 420 PPM area (literally “no-man’s land”).

But, who believes in scientists? Fucking eggheads who spend all their low-paid time researching the natural world. They probably don’t even twitter, for god’s sake.
You'd be surprised at what the "low-paid" scientists actually make. There are thousands of them around here and they do just fine.
Feb 15th 2020, 01:42 PM   #51
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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Median wage for climate scientists looks to be about $77,000, with a range of $50K to $112K.

That is above the all-wage median of about $50K, but definitely does not place them in the salary range of fossil fuel CEOs.

The point is that scientists are not researching to make a “killing” in the market. That can’t be said of those on the planet-polluting side.
Feb 15th 2020, 09:50 PM   #52
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

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Median wage for climate scientists looks to be about $77,000, with a range of $50K to $112K.

That is above the all-wage median of about $50K, but definitely does not place them in the salary range of fossil fuel CEOs.

The point is that scientists are not researching to make a “killing” in the market. That can’t be said of those on the planet-polluting side.
Well put!
Feb 15th 2020, 10:23 PM   #53
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  Jan 2016
  NW

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It is always follow the money to some degree when capitalist economies are involved.
^^^This^^^
We dont live in a democracy, money runs our country. Politicians have learned how to take money from special interests and give them what they want while twisting it to be " for the good of the country".

Sure.. these tax cuts are going to "trickle down"..
Sure.. this new bill to deregulate (special interest here) will stimulate the economy and create jobs.
Sure.. Iraq never attacked us, but this war is to keep Americans safe.
Sure.. these tough prison sentences for marijuana possession are to keep your kids safe from drugs. The large contributions we received from the private prison system is just a coincidence.
Sure.. these outrageous high drug prices are about supporting capitalism in America. Pharmaceutical companies only donate to politicians as a sign of their good will.

Edited by Scribbles on Feb 15th 2020 at 10:30 PM
Feb 15th 2020, 10:34 PM   #54
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  Seattle

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I have been looking at electric mountain bikes for commuters. I live in PO and work at PSNS. I have to get from Manchester to the PO ferry dock and back. It is possible, but the quality/performance per dollar isn't there. All the electric bikes are Chinese nonsense branded by some Nike-like re-seller at 200% markup. And the instantaneous loss-of value and the fact that they are outdated before you even take delivery means that every multi-thousand dollar e-bike is a white elephant before the paint gets dirty. I sold My Nissan leaf for 10% of its purchase price with 65000 miles on it because it would only go 40 miles on a full charge and a new battery was like $8,000.00.
I regularly commute on my Haibike e-bike. Made in Germany. Got it on sale in winter, battery is as good as new, saves me a lot of money on gas and, most importantly, keeps me healthy. Highly recommend!
Feb 15th 2020, 10:36 PM   #55
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This would be a good start.
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Feb 16th 2020, 02:08 AM   #56
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  Seattle

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You are simplifying. Third world countries are actually on the forefront of pushing for worldwide action because they are the most affected.
This, of course, is a lie.


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Feb 16th 2020, 02:10 AM   #57
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It is true that an automobile of any sort is a huge consumer of resources. Preferable would be walking, bicycling or public transportation in electric vehicles.

The grid should be switched from fossil fuels to renewables with carbon offsets as we transition. Now that solar and wind are competitive with coal and gas, the switch is occurring rapidly.
The elephant in the room is, of course, that solar and wind are not viable without a baseload, so we need much more nuclear to make this dream come true.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-n...alists-climate
Feb 16th 2020, 02:42 AM   #58
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  PORTLAND

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This, of course, is a lie.


There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Per capita, if you call "All others" the third world nations and the rest 1st world (even though I might consider India third world), then:

1st world: 6.1 billion tonnes CO2/billion people
3rd world: 3.6 "" ""

"We" pollute nearly twice as much.
Feb 16th 2020, 07:56 AM   #59
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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The elephant in the room is, of course, that solar and wind are not viable without a baseload, so we need much more nuclear to make this dream come true.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/why-n...alists-climate
Is Yale Envo360 a solid source for guidance on energy production and policy?

Or just a bunch who revel in playing devil's advocate?

Their stance, on most topics, including nuclear, vary as much as the wind blows:

https://e360.yale.edu/features/indus...ming-to-an-end
Feb 16th 2020, 08:17 AM   #60
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Nuclear is just a red herring the radical right uses to attempt to show environmentalists are not serious about global warming. “Well, if you were serious, you would accept this available, ‘clean’ fuel source.”

If nuclear were so viable, the nuclear industry could fund themselves. No insurer will cover them and it requires tax payers to cover the risk. That should tell you something. When private capitalism requires public socialism to exist, something is going on.
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