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Feb 10th 2020, 03:09 PM   #16
 Transported's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
^^^I just read the summary. But if they are right, it seems we will far exceed the Paris Accords, which will doom us. Anything over 2 degrees is a massive death sentence, stuff out of our worst science fiction fantasy. Dead ocean. Extinction of most species.

I prefer the solutions in Drawdown. It provides a strategy.
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Feb 10th 2020, 03:58 PM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
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Originally Posted by jared p
Bill needs to get TerraPower operational sooner than later. Nuclear is how we need to power today and tomorrow.
I agree. I went to engineering school with the former engineering manager and have met a few of the principals of the company. They have a great concept and I hope that it is successful. Bill Gates is behind it so it must have some merit.

Edited by Cougar on Feb 10th 2020 at 07:02 PM
Feb 10th 2020, 04:03 PM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
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Originally Posted by tod701
Coal fired generating plants.
Coal must be better for the environment than gas I guess.
Or maybe it is better because the exhaust comes out out-of-town so the electric car driver can still believe they are saving the environment.
That would be an incorrect guess. But gas is not great either.
Feb 10th 2020, 04:03 PM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by Transported
Yep. Now that we know every molecule of carbon is going to jeopardize our future, the faster we transition to electric the better. 2030 is about 30 years too late. But the sooner the better.
Says the guy who still hasn't sold his ICE bikes and bought an electric one.

I'm old enough to remember a time when we were told that we had to conserve electricity in order to save the planet.
Feb 10th 2020, 06:44 PM   #20
 
  Jan 2016
  Gig Harbor

  BMW F650GS / BMW R12R
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Originally Posted by Transported
^^^I just read the summary. But if they are right, it seems we will far exceed the Paris Accords, which will doom us. Anything over 2 degrees is a massive death sentence, stuff out of our worst science fiction fantasy. Dead ocean. Extinction of most species.

I prefer the solutions in Drawdown. It provides a strategy.
The Drawdown analysis seems pretty comprehensive, and doable. The political will to take this path doesnít exist yet, but will within the next decade. The 20- and 30-somethings segment of the population wonít tolerate the dinosaur culture much longer.

Electrification and renewable generation make sense now. We installed rooftop solar a couple of years ago. On an annual basis our solar system completely powers our house and one electric vehicle (car) that is driven about 12,000 miles per year, and also produces a little surplus power that goes into the grid for our neighbors. I recognize that we still need the grid for the months of December through February, but systems like this will help offset the loss of hydropower if some of the dams are removed.

As much as I love my internal combustion engine motorcycles ó especially the big boxer twin that yanks the entire bike to the right when you blip the throttle ó Iím pretty certain that Iíll never buy another. Thatís largely based on practical considerations ó the first scheduled maintenance on our battery electric car (other than tire rotations and wiper blades) will occur at 60,000 miles. The extent of that maintenance is flushing the cooling system that protects the battery and replacing the cabin air filter. Relatively soon only those folks who consider wrenching on a combustion engine to be a form of recreation will still have them. Professional engine mechanics should start planning for a career transition. Electric vehicles are fun as hell to drive and ride, so my next new bike will almost certainly be electric.
Feb 10th 2020, 08:46 PM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  Versys 1000 SE LT+, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
When I can charge an EV as quick as fill my gas tank and drive just as far, I will consider.

For an around town bike, Okay, but the prices they are asking for a limited range motorcycle? Not yet.

I recently rode the Ural electric sidecar. I was laughing so hard because it was a blast! When I used 10% of the battery in 8 miles, I sobered right up.
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Feb 10th 2020, 09:09 PM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Seems logical to me to make standardized sizes of battery so that you can pull your car or bike into a bay, drop the battery, slide a charged one in place and be off in the time it takes to fill a gasoline tank.

But I am sure capitalism’s primacy of proprietary ownership over logic will prevail preventing standardization.
Feb 11th 2020, 06:17 AM   #23
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Nissan and VW are planning on no more than about 30% penetration in the US for EV's because of the nature of our infrastructure, how and where we live and move. Many of us simply cannot do the wait-to-charge thing and many of us are, frankly, too old and attached to what already exists. Demographics will drive this entire process, IMO. Same as everything else. Demographics are going to fix our busted-ass political system, economy, and everything else. Not saying youth is superior, only different. My kids gave zero shits about cars or drivers licenses. They don't drive around for fun the way we did back in the Jurassic. As for myself, I've already said how I feel: cars RUIN everything they get near. The car-centric world is awful. Frigging awful. I don't expect to live to see any radical improvement, only incremental hassle (as far as business-as-usual for the car addicts (like me)). I mean, imagine a beautiful, perfect place you'd like to be in, a place of restoration and rejuvenation, a place of wonder and amazement. Does it have 10 acres of parking? Was that in your vision? Was it next to a freeway? Maybe it's just me.
Feb 11th 2020, 06:21 AM   #24
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Guy
When I can charge an EV as quick as fill my gas tank and drive just as far, I will consider.

For an around town bike, Okay, but the prices they are asking for a limited range motorcycle? Not yet.

I recently rode the Ural electric sidecar. I was laughing so hard because it was a blast! When I used 10% of the battery in 8 miles, I sobered right up.
I have been looking at electric mountain bikes for commuters. I live in PO and work at PSNS. I have to get from Manchester to the PO ferry dock and back. It is possible, but the quality/performance per dollar isn't there. All the electric bikes are Chinese nonsense branded by some Nike-like re-seller at 200% markup. And the instantaneous loss-of value and the fact that they are outdated before you even take delivery means that every multi-thousand dollar e-bike is a white elephant before the paint gets dirty. I sold My Nissan leaf for 10% of its purchase price with 65000 miles on it because it would only go 40 miles on a full charge and a new battery was like $8,000.00.
Feb 11th 2020, 06:47 AM   #25
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  Jun 2018
  PORTLAND

  2019 KTM Duke 790 / 2002 Honda XR400R
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Originally Posted by FidalgoRob
On an annual basis our solar system completely powers our house and one electric vehicle (car) that is driven about 12,000 miles per year, and also produces a little surplus power that goes into the grid for our neighbors.
Wow... what's the total capacity of your system?
Feb 11th 2020, 08:23 AM   #26
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
So nice to see this forum has gone from denialism to acceptance and even anticipation of a better future (in some ways) in just a year or so.
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Feb 11th 2020, 08:37 AM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Stanwood

I own an electric car, but oppose this legislation.
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Feb 11th 2020, 08:56 AM   #28
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but i'm not sure that car pollution is really the biggest area of polluting on the planet. I'm pretty sure it's clearing land for livestock grazing. Not to mention the waste that is created from such "activities". Burning down tropical rainforests for cattle is the single largest contributor to global warming, I've seen, read and heard. So there. You wanna make a difference? Stop eating charcoaled bovine and drinking milk. Far as EV's go, yeah yeah.. and the Jetson's are all gonna move in and there goes the neighborhood. I'll believe it when I see it.
I was just reading an article about the newest nuclear powered aircraft carrier that the Navy launched in 2017, the Gerald R. Ford, to the tune of $13Billion. Yes, that's with a B. And it has half the crew of a smaller AC. If they can build one of those, i'm pretty sure they can build an internal combustion vehicle that gets 100mpg that will last for a million miles. It's all a bunch of bullshit that they're sellin us. Don't drink the kool-aide. I'ma ride and drive whatever the fuck I want to. Until leadership AT THE TOP (yeah, that means you, Trump, or whoever is next), sets an example or asks the country to sacrifice for the benefit of us all, fuck em.
Feb 11th 2020, 08:58 AM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
All my motorcycles are Hybrid Electrics, they just have to have a rather inefficient ICE to help recharge the ridiculously small 'main' battery to keep them moving!
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Feb 11th 2020, 09:09 AM   #30
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  Jun 2018
  PORTLAND

  2019 KTM Duke 790 / 2002 Honda XR400R
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Originally Posted by craiger
Correct me if I'm wrong, but i'm not sure that car pollution is really the biggest area of polluting on the planet.
It's 20%. So yeah not biggest, but it's big.

"Collectively, cars and trucks account for nearly one-fifth of all US emissions"
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/car...global-warming

I hate to be doom and gloom, but even if we cut CO2 to 0 now, there would still be positive feedback loop coming from other sources due to current warming. Example is the permafrost in northern areas like Arctic. It's warming and releasing tons of Co2 and methane.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...ngerous-gases/


On the other hand. I don't think it'll be the end of mankind. But who knows what species will be left, and which ones are gonna thrive or become pests. Also some areas of the world will see a lot of drought unfortunately. And forget the coastlines...
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