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Jan 30th 2018, 06:32 AM   #1
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
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Harley is FUBAR

"Harley-Davidson's 10-year strategy is to train 2 million new U.S. riders,"



CUz of this:



https://www.jsonline.com/story/money...ng/1077804001/

Closing a plant.
Revising forecasts.
Looking at overseas markets.
Their plan is to "grow riders" - which means: we have got to create some demand.
Baby-boomer riders now have "safety concerns" which are keeping them from buying new Harleys.
Maybe. Or maybe their outdated, heavy, ancient technology that costs too much and only delivers poser attitude (with black skull tee shirts selling faster than actual motorcycles) has finally hit the wall.

"The problem is that Harley has run rider training campaigns over the years, "with little real progress made," said Rich Duprey, a writer for The Motley Fool, an online financial publication."

Which means - they've tried this "growing riders" business before. It doesn't work. Hence: FUBAR.

Dammit Harley - we see that flat tracker you are holding back from us. Sell that thing! But not with that anemic "Street 750" motor. Just put a Sporty 1200 in it already. That motor is a solid rocker. Not "rider training" but compelling, soul-grabbing bikes. THAT is what people want. For fucks sake, how many GSXR's have sold? And those things suck to ride. But it feels BADASS to whip one down the road even if your neck and wrists hurt like hell after 15 minutes. A rocking flat tracker would be uber cool, something to compete with supermoto.



Remember Project Live Wire? HD was supposed to be selling battery bikes by now.



Wha happen?

On a lighter note: McDonalds is Feeling Strangely Fine:

Not sure what THAT means except all those old men who are too fat and broke-dick to ride their Hogs around are taking their F350 dually diesels through the drive-through, getting them some mcnuggets and a giant coke.



Race to the grave? I'd rather die on my bike than in a cardiac ward from bigmac syndrome. #supersizeme
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Edited by Sentinel on Jan 30th 2018 at 06:51 AM
Jan 30th 2018, 07:21 AM   #2
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You really put some thought into this. Nice.

The flat tracker is sexy as hell.


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Jan 30th 2018, 08:08 AM   #3
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  Jan 2016
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I think it's really easy to look at one part if the numbers and say that "Harley is FUBAR", but miss the bigger picture.

Part of that may be that because Harley is a US company we see its business numbers in our media more than the foreign manufacturers. But the reality is that most are suffering in sales in the US, not just Harley.

Yamaha, as well, has seen a large drop in sales here. Looking at numbers, overall motorcycles sales in the US, between 2015 and 2017, dropped 3%. Yamaha's sales in the US during the same period dropped 14.6%. So why aren't we talking about Yamaha being FUBAR?

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/new...ix-month-2017/

The reality is that this is an industry crisis in the US, not just a single manufacturer's. This isn't about all those negative adjectives you want to toss around to describe Harley motorcycles, this is about a lack of new riders in general.

And yes, I know someone will say that Triumph and Ducati had increases here, but with those we are talking about sales increases of maybe hundreds of bikes. Where as the larger manufacturers are seeing sales decreases in the thousands.

And really, this is a crisis primarily in the US, as even Harley is seeing increases globally.


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Jan 30th 2018, 09:08 AM   #4
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We're about to hit an economic downturn like in 2008. The slowing down of sales of entertainment stuff and the skyrocket rise and fall of crypto currencies are just the first rumble.
Jan 30th 2018, 09:17 AM   #5
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The push for safe everything has made a generation of pussys, why ride when they can watch it on their phone.
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Jan 30th 2018, 09:35 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by unicykle
The push for safe everything has made a generation of pussys, why ride when they can watch it on their phone.
And it's more than that. For the younger generation, entertainment is primarily digital. There is little outdoor entertainment happening with them.

Most of us that ride probably spent a lot of time, as kids, outside riding bicycles with our friends. The same can't be said for these young adults.

Another part is that the current generation is less interested in personal transportation.

So it is a combination of a lot of things.

My question to all of us this. What are you, personally, doing to bring the next generation into the hobby. For me, right now two of my four kids ride. A third is going to get his endorsement this spring. And I am planning of getting a cheap, dropable, bike so I can teach my other son-in-law how to ride.

So, instead of bashing manufacturers you don't like, spend you energy encouraging new riders, even if they happen to want a Harley.

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Jan 30th 2018, 11:13 AM   #7
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Don't worry, Royal Enfield is bringing thier 650's to the USA this year. Bringing them in at a low price to kick start the market. I am sure that will get it all going again!
Jan 30th 2018, 11:35 AM   #8
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I remember when Harley put out the XR 750 back in the early 70's with the twin carbs. That thing was a freakin' bad ass bike. That would probably sell if they put them out there.
Jan 30th 2018, 12:26 PM   #9
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yup..not good...https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...kqD?li=BBnb7Kz
Jan 30th 2018, 01:14 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Boatdriver
I remember when Harley put out the XR 750 back in the early 70's with the twin carbs. That thing was a freakin' bad ass bike. That would probably sell if they put them out there.
I agree. I'm not a Harley guy but I hate to see American factories shut down no matter what company it is.
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Jan 30th 2018, 03:07 PM   #11
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Where's Project Livewire you ask?

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/h...oming-in-2018/

What's interesting about this is that it makes Harley the first major manufacturer to build and sell an electric motorcycle. The only others have been from small companies.

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Edited by VeritasImageryNW on Jan 30th 2018 at 03:10 PM
Jan 30th 2018, 04:20 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Where's Project Livewire you ask?

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/h...oming-in-2018/

What's interesting about this is that it makes Harley the first major manufacturer to build and sell an electric motorcycle. The only others have been from small companies.

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that's cool...I hope it doesn't make that horrible noise the original did...50 mile range? as they say on Monday night..cmon man...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...after-livewire

Edited by chadams66 on Jan 30th 2018 at 05:32 PM
Jan 30th 2018, 04:42 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Another part is that the current generation is less interested in personal transportation.

My question to all of us this. What are you, personally, doing to bring the next generation into the hobby.
I tried, daughter is 29 son 24. Daughter hated riding on the old Beemer, son loved riding on the old XL600L but never developed any kind of interest in riding himself and he is an outdoors kind of guy.
Jan 30th 2018, 08:50 PM   #14
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Take your burger to bed.
Jan 30th 2018, 10:13 PM   #15
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  Seattle

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar
I agree. I'm not a Harley guy but I hate to see American factories shut down no matter what company it is.
+1

Hopefully they can yank some cash out of some old folks wallets to fund a bit of a resurgence, then use that capital to develop some products that interest modern motorcycle buyers. I don't get the electric bike at all at this range, but that just seems like yet another example in quite a long list, of them completely mis-understanding younger buyers.
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