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Jul 24th 2017, 06:27 PM   #46
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Not if it has a sun roof.
Then just go with the Cabrio.
Jul 24th 2017, 07:29 PM   #47
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Just keep in mind that the rear deck of the Turbo is for carrying firewood only. Whole trunks or logs measuring more than the width of the lane are both illegal and may damage your intake.
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Jul 25th 2017, 07:19 AM   #48
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But you can use sheets of paneling or plywood as an alternate downforce wing.
Jul 25th 2017, 08:39 AM   #49
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...The argument that Harleys are bad because they don't handle like lighter, sportier bikes would be like saying F150s are bad because they can't go around the track like a 911. It's all in the purpose behind the vehicle, because a 911 would suck to haul lumber around in.
You can haul lumber on your Harley?!
Jul 25th 2017, 12:43 PM   #50
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I once hauled a weedeater (in the box), a post hole digger and a shovel AT THE SAME TIME on a 600 Suzuki Katana. I bought a large container of bungies at the same time as the garden equipment. Got a LOT of funny looks on my 10 mile (back roads) journey back home. It CAN be done...
Jul 25th 2017, 01:20 PM   #51
 
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Jul 25th 2017, 02:11 PM   #52
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many years ago I had a friend return a 12' kayak by loading it on his BMW R75...
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Jul 25th 2017, 04:15 PM   #53
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I'm not entirely sure the F150 / 911 metaphorical comparison works on several levels. As hilariously pointed out by many here...there's not a motorcycle which is designed specifically to haul lumber...most all motorcycles haul a passenger...or two...down the road...and...maybe...a tad bit of luggage.

Motorcycling feels a bit unsettling to me when I am intentionally mounted on a less-capable machine. I just know enough about me to know that I would be very uncomfortable on some 800+ pound behemoth...Goldwing or Road King...the brand doesn't matter...in my mind they are...still...fairly purposeless vehicles...that's why the wife now has her endorsement and it's..."ride your own ride"
Jul 25th 2017, 04:43 PM   #54
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I'm not entirely sure the F150 / 911 metaphorical comparison works on several levels. As hilariously pointed out by many here...there's not a motorcycle which is designed specifically to haul lumber...most all motorcycles haul a passenger...or two...down the road...and...maybe...a tad bit of luggage.

Motorcycling feels a bit unsettling to me when I am intentionally mounted on a less-capable machine. I just know enough about me to know that I would be very uncomfortable on some 800+ pound behemoth...Goldwing or Road King...the brand doesn't matter...in my mind they are...still...fairly purposeless vehicles...that's why the wife now has her endorsement and it's..."ride your own ride"
Well, since I never said anything about any motorcycle hauling lumber it seems you missed the point. The point is that a Harley and a ZX10RR are designed for very different purposes (911 vs F-150). Your statement regarding "less capable" simply reflects your opinion of what you want from a motorcycle. A Harley is perfectly capable of doing everything needed at legal speed limits. And as was pointed out in a thread on one of the Harley forums, they stop as well as the best stopping Superbikes, and better than others.

Superbikes:

2011 BMW S1000RR: 129 ft
2011 Ducati 1198: 141 ft
2011 Honda CBR1000RR: 134 ft
2011 Suzuki GSXR-1000: 140 ft
2011 KTM RC8R: 135 ft
2011 Kawasaki ZX10R: 129 ft
2011 Yamaha R1: 137 ft

Supersports:

2011 Yamaha R6: 124 ft
2011 Honda CBR600RR: 126 ft
2011 Ducati 848 EVO: 127 ft
2011 Triumph 675R: 126 ft
2011 Suzuki GSXR-600: 122 ft

Other bikes:

2015 Harley Street 750: 152 ft
2011 Harley StreetGlide: 129 ft
2011 Star Stratoliner: 142 ft
2011 Kawasaki Vulcan Vaquero: 144 ft
2013 BMW R1200-RTP: 144 ft
2013 Harley Electra Glide: 144 ft
2010 Star Raider S: 124 ft
2010 Harley Softail Rocker C: 125 ft
2010 Victory Vegas Jackpot: 129 ft

And here's what's really sad, the amazing Superbikes are bettered by Minivans and Honda Civics.

Minivans:

2015 Kia Sedona: 118 ft
2015 Toyota Sienna: 121 ft
2014 Chrysler T&C: 126 ft
2015 Honda Odyssey: 126 ft

Sedans & Hatchbacks:

2014 Honda Civic: 118 ft
2012 Kia Rio: 119 ft
2013 Honda Accord: 117 ft
2014 Mazda 6: 121ft
2013 Toyota Camry: 120 ft
2014 BMW i3 eDrive: 108 ft
2015 Honda Fit: 127 ft

Pickups:

2013 Ford F-150: 132 ft
2013 GMC Sierra 1500: 137 ft
2013 Chevy Silverado: 138 ft
2013 Ram 1500: 142 ft
2013 Nissan Titan: 144 ft
2013 Toyota Tundra: 150 ft

Heck, the R1 is beaten by the F-150 I referenced.

But back to the point, "less-capable" is simply a personal opinion, based only on your own idea of what you want from a motorcycle. I find that a sport bike is much "less-capable" for my everyday needs. But I also find that a sport bike is utterly capable for my every-once-in-a-while needs.

So let's stop with the whole generalization thing. All motorcycles serve a purpose for someone. And all current street bikes (excluding the little 125s that struggle to reach highway speed) are perfectly "capable" when operated within the confines of the law.
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Jul 25th 2017, 05:00 PM   #55
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there's not a motorcycle which is designed specifically to haul lumber
Oh I don't know. Regardless of what the official company line is I'd be easy to convince that the Ural was designed for harvesting timber from the Sibieran taiga. If only because that's every bit as plausible as the idea that it was designed for anything else.
Jul 26th 2017, 11:35 AM   #56
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I don't know what any of the above braking distance numbers mean or anything or if those are even legitimate numbers...or where they came from...but I will tell you there's no possible way...physically....that a Road King and an R1 have even similar braking metrics.

You're talking about a vehicle twice the weight & perhaps (likely) even less of a braking surface and contact patch there's just no way...kenitically...any of that is possible...that's not "my opinion"...and...the speed...whether legal or not...has no relevance...The limitations remain the same...the vehicle is always limited...it's just is limited at 20 miles an hour as it is it 60...it's a technical difference in the machine...

The question is...am I willing to accept those limitations...and the answer...for me personally is...NO...

I don't care what other riders think...or what they're doing however... I would suggest that once you get to be a certain age...like say 55...your reaction times are diminished... that's a physiological FACT...and why you would want to climb on a machine with diminished capabilities?...makes no sense to me as a human being...I'm putting myself in harms way...needlessly...there are far better machines out there...so why not just use those?...has nothing to do with the brand or brand loyalty...it's just the way things are...
Jul 26th 2017, 11:50 AM   #57
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Let me posit a question you guys answer as honestly as you can.

You're the middle of the forest on it let's say a CBR F4 and your railing around a 25 mile an hour left hander at about 74 miles an hour...you've been riding these backroads for 30 years.

You're on the 205 freeway on a brand new 2017 Electra glide with your wife on the back going at a legal speed.

Which of those rides has a higher risk profile assumung you're an insurance actuary?

Please answer honestly.
Jul 26th 2017, 03:08 PM   #58
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There's a logical, and scientific, reason the big Harley can stop quicker, and it's called physics. Because of the light weight, frame geometry, and the fact that the tiny rear brake on a sport bike is nearly useless, that "superbike" must rely solely on its front tire's contact patch to stop. The Harley, on the other hand has the weight and length to not worry about lifting the rear off the ground, which means twice the contact patch (same reason a car can stop quicker than the superbike as well). And then combine that with the fact that the rear rotor on Harleys is the same size as the front, and you get shorter stopping distances.

The reason you see older Harley riders dropping it under braking is they still buy into the idea that using the front brake is dangerous.

You can find these numbers from Motocycle News magazine as well as other motorcycle consumer reports.

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Jul 26th 2017, 03:17 PM   #59
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As far as your last question, regarding "risk", the $2000 CBR will always present a lower "risk" to the insurance company than a $30,000+ Electra Glide. So your comparison is rather weak.

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Jul 26th 2017, 05:48 PM   #60
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I would suggest that once you get to be a certain age...like say 55...your reaction times are diminished... that's a physiological FACT...and why you would want to climb on a machine with diminished capabilities?...makes no sense to me as a human being...
having reach a certain age way over 55 I can say I agree...though I often ride a 34 year old bike whose capabilities might be in question compared to today's bikes..it does pass Harleys...

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