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Jul 19th 2017, 08:25 AM   #1
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Harley Down

Sales and stocks plunge, plus getting their asses kicked in American Flat Track racing by Indian and privateers on their old bikes probably isn't helping?

Harley Davidson stock plunges on weak sales forecast, layoffs ahead - Jul. 18, 2017
Jul 19th 2017, 08:50 AM   #2
 
  Jan 2016
  Renton

  2011 Triumph Daytona 675, 1975 Honda CB550K1
That and their prime demographic is year by year, getting beyond their riding years. Most guys my age (30's) like a bike that Harley doesn't build.

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Jul 19th 2017, 09:24 AM   #3
 
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That and their prime demographic is year by year, getting beyond their riding years. Most guys my age (30's) like a bike that Harley doesn't build.

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60 must be the new 30, because I to like bikes Harley does not build!
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Jul 19th 2017, 09:52 AM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  welches, Oregon

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Originally Posted by fiveohford
That and their prime demographic is year by year, getting beyond their riding years. Most guys my age (30's) like a bike that Harley doesn't build.

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different strokes for different folks i guess.... just doesn't help when most of your marker has had a stoke......
Jul 19th 2017, 10:08 AM   #5
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  Northeast Olalla

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Harley has done a fairly acceptable job of pricing themselves out of the entry or second bike market. To step over anything but a basic or downsized Sportster, which is IMHO a very under appreciated bike, you are going to have to dig $11,000 or more out of your wallet. To get into any of the more "roadworthy*" models you jump to $14,000, and to get into the flagship touring offers you hit $20,000 and keep climbing.

In each category, the metric markets can provide the same performance levels at a much more affordable cost. Unless an entry level consumer has already become ingrained in the Bar and Shield culture and brand loyalty the odds are that they are not going to give H-D more than a passing glance. Additionally, the already loyal customers look upon the Street Series bikes (500 and 750) as not "real" Harleys.
Jul 19th 2017, 11:24 AM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by fiveohford
That and their prime demographic is year by year, getting beyond their riding years. Most guys my age (30's) like a bike that Harley doesn't build.

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If you look at the other thread I started, one of the statistics is that the average age of new bike buyers is 47. Younger people aren't buying bikes at all for the most part, and that's trouble for the entire industry.

One thing that is interesting is that the female market is increasing, and more than 60% of those women are buying Harleys. So we're not succeeding in bringing in the younger male riders at the rate needed to keep the industry thriving, but we are bringing in more women. And while those younger guys entering the market aren't flocking to Harley in droves (though HD still owns the market share of US street bikes), for some reason the women that are entering the market ARE flocking to Harley. It's an odd time for all the manufacturers.

Edited by VeritasImageryNW on Jul 19th 2017 at 11:32 AM
Jul 19th 2017, 12:24 PM   #7
 
  Jan 2016
  Renton

  2011 Triumph Daytona 675, 1975 Honda CB550K1
People keep telling their kids bikes are dangerous, and many people my age are just getting to a point they can afford a new bike. Sadly it's not too surprising.

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Jul 19th 2017, 12:47 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland, WA

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A big portion of the younger generation doesn't even have a drivers license. Why bother when you can get an Uber whenever you want? Getting a license doesn't seem to be as exciting to kids as it was before the days of smart phones.
Jul 19th 2017, 01:02 PM   #9
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  Emmett Idaho

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60 must be the new 30, because I to like bikes Harley does not build!
I'm 65 and have been riding 50+ years and I have bought every single Harley that I ever lusted for.

Zero!

If Harley built my kind of bike then I guess that I would be riding a Harley.
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Jul 19th 2017, 01:04 PM   #10
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  welches, Oregon

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A big portion of the younger generation doesn't even have a drivers license. Why bother when you can get an Uber whenever you want? Getting a license doesn't seem to be as exciting to kids as it was before the days of smart phones.
not a problem to me... less of them driving = less cars on the road and less distracted drivers (hopefully)
Jul 19th 2017, 01:29 PM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Custer WA

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A big portion of the younger generation doesn't even have a drivers license.
I am hearing this a lot. It boggles my mind.
Jul 19th 2017, 02:37 PM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Des Moines

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I considered a 1200xl Iron as my first bike, but the Sportster comments turned me off from that riding demographic. I'm a child of the TRON age anyways, so a sportbike was equally appealing (even if I don't really fit on one). I rode my buddy's Dyna once and instantly knew it wasn't for me (which is sad for him because he REALLY wants to ride my Monster whenever we're out on long rides....I refuse to trade).

With that said, after watching the Revzilla Livewire videos I am totally ready to take one of those out on a test ride once they hit the market. I doubt I could afford one (cause you know they're going to be nowhere near the price of a Zero), but I think that's one cool looking bike and I might actually be comfortable on it.
Jul 19th 2017, 05:42 PM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

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I'm 65 and have been riding 50+ years and I have bought every single Harley that I ever lusted for.

Zero!

If Harley built my kind of bike then I guess that I would be riding a Harley.
My thoughts exactly. I will never own one. Hate the demographic. Plus who wants an overweight, poor handling, lousy brakes and dated style? Not me!
Jul 19th 2017, 05:44 PM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  WA

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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
One thing that is interesting is that the female market is increasing, and more than 60% of those women are buying Harleys.
I will say I have seen this, which is a plus, lol.


Harley is also doing new dyna/softail models here soon, that never helps the sales before.


I will say there is no way I could have afforded a Harley as a first bike, they're not cheap, but the ride is worth it. Good resell value usually means not a cheap choice for a used bike.

And you can ride year round out here, that makes buying a new bike more sensible. When I lived in Wyoming the season was at most 6 months if you pushed it. 3 if you really wanted to enjoy it. Hard to drop $15k on something that will have to sit half the year.
Jul 19th 2017, 05:56 PM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  V-Star 1100 Custom
I'm from the era of AMF owning Harley, which spurred the sayings:

"Harley Davidson's are the best, you ride a mile and walk to rest!" and "90% of all Harley's are still on the road side, spread out across many miles.".

I've ridden and owned them but I just don't like the ride and costs of ownership. Why pay $300 and wait for 2 months for a part that costs $20 and 1 week wait on any metric bike?
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