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Nov 21st 2017, 10:38 PM   #106
 Bald Guy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kennewick

  Triumph Explorer, Concours 1400, Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125
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Originally Posted by Transported
I thought we weren’t going to criticize the choices we all make; that bikes is bikes?
Nov 21st 2017, 10:38 PM   #107
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  Feb 2016
  Seattle

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Originally Posted by alienbogey
Challenge Accepted!

• You're on a road trip in the USA and need dealer/parts support - are you more likely to find a nearby HD or Ducati dealer?

• Same situation as above but there is no dealer within reach - are you more likely to find an independent shop or another rider with HD or Ducati maintenance experience?

• You'd like to customize your cruiser in various ways - are you going to find more options available to do so with HD or Ducati?

• You want to join the Hells Angels - will they be more likely to accept you and your HD or you and your Ducati?

So you like the Harley because it's going to break down and the wastelands are littered with stealerships which are happy to provide parts and services at astonishing prices and while you're stuck in the middle of nowhere drinking away your financial debts and related sorrows you will have to join a biker gang and get involved in drug trafficking to fill the budgetary voids left by your clearly superior bike.
Nov 22nd 2017, 12:31 AM   #108
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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Originally Posted by alienbogey
Challenge Accepted!

• You're on a road trip in the USA and need dealer/parts support - are you more likely to find a nearby HD or Ducati dealer?

• Same situation as above but there is no dealer within reach - are you more likely to find an independent shop or another rider with HD or Ducati maintenance experience?

• You'd like to customize your cruiser in various ways - are you going to find more options available to do so with HD or Ducati?

• You want to join the Hells Angels - will they be more likely to accept you and your HD or you and your Ducati?

You're confusing cruiser with tourer. I grant you Hells Angels
Nov 22nd 2017, 12:32 AM   #109
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
I want a cruiser that looks like, feels like, sounds like, and rides like a Harley. Can the Duc do that "better" than my Dyna can? Nope, fail.

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If you want a Harley, get a Harley. If you want a better cruiser, get a Ducati. Pretty simple.
Nov 22nd 2017, 12:38 AM   #110
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
As I have so often pointed out to you, the majority of American riders disagree with you. Why? Because there is one thing you forget, American cruiser riders want an American cruiser. They want that big chuck of metal that carries an engine that pounds in your chest. They want something that looks similar to those bikes of older. They want something they can alter to fit their needs, their personality. They want everything you disdain about Harleys. And that is why no import cruiser will ever be a "better" cruiser. You stay stuck on numbers being the sole defining mark of "better", but the reality is that "better" to the American rider is more about "feelings", about tradition, heritage, about being connected to something more than horsepower, top speed, lean angles, lap times and stopping distances. Once you decide to let go of your numbers then maybe you'll understand. But until then, remember that you are in the minority.
You are confusing being "stuck on numbers" with "preferring a better ride". Ducati rides, handles, cruises, sounds, feels and looks better, is more comfortable at both low and high speed, and is much safer. It has enough "metal that carries an engine that pounds in your chest". And it is much, much prettier.

If you want to harken to the days of yore, sure, get a Harley. If you want a better cruiser, get a Ducati.
Nov 22nd 2017, 12:39 AM   #111
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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Originally Posted by Transported
I thought we weren’t going to criticize the choices we all make; that bikes is bikes?
I am so lazy, I prefer my opponents to make my case for me
Nov 22nd 2017, 06:21 AM   #112
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  Jan 2016
  WA

  Harley Davidson LR-S
Gentlemen this isn't helping.


We all love our bikes, doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
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Nov 22nd 2017, 06:27 AM   #113
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
You are confusing being "stuck on numbers" with "preferring a better ride". Ducati rides, handles, cruises, sounds, feels and looks better, is more comfortable at both low and high speed, and is much safer. It has enough "metal that carries an engine that pounds in your chest". And it is much, much prettier.
Everything you stated, other than handling, is purely subjective (and even then, if I'm not looking for a track weapon, all HD models can handle great at legal road speeds), and solely based upon your own opinion. Maybe you've not matured enough to realize that your opinion only really matters to you. So, again, the majority of American riders believe that your opinion is wrong and feel that Harley makes the "better" cruiser.

(I'd love to see the hard evidence you have that proves the Diavel is "much safer" than a Harley.)

A cruiser isn't about numbers, it's about how it makes you feel. The "better" cruiser is the one that makes you feel what you want.

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Edited by VeritasImageryNW on Nov 22nd 2017 at 06:34 AM
Nov 22nd 2017, 06:54 AM   #114
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  Jan 2016
  Custer WA

  Aprilia Tuono 1100
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Nov 22nd 2017, 08:02 AM   #115
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Everything you stated, other than handling, is purely subjective (and even then, if I'm not looking for a track weapon, all HD models can handle great at legal road speeds), and solely based upon your own opinion. Maybe you've not matured enough to realize that your opinion only really matters to you. So, again, the majority of American riders believe that your opinion is wrong and feel that Harley makes the "better" cruiser.

(I'd love to see the hard evidence you have that proves the Diavel is "much safer" than a Harley.)

A cruiser isn't about numbers, it's about how it makes you feel. The "better" cruiser is the one that makes you feel what you want.
It is not purely subjective if it's supported by vast majority of subjective reviews AND by objective numbers. All you have to counter that is " the majority of Americans" who didn't even sit on it once.

This holiday season, treat yourself, stop by your friendly local Ducati shop and take it for a test ride. Won't cost you a dime, and I guarantee it will be a hoot and a half, or I buy you all the drinks you can consume to safely ride your Harley back home. Deal?

/not a Ducati salesman, I swear
Nov 22nd 2017, 08:23 AM   #116
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
I find it amuzing that you assume I've never ridden one.

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Nov 22nd 2017, 08:34 AM   #117
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
I find it amuzing that you assume I've never ridden one.
If you had, you would KNOW.
Nov 22nd 2017, 08:37 AM   #118
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
Liberpolly and Veritas:

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Nov 22nd 2017, 09:51 AM   #119
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
I never liked the big cowls that are on these kinds of bikes. I think they are just large and awkward. If you took the cowl off for the classic headlight-only look, I might like the sport-glide a bit more. I can't tell from the small pic in the OP - is this gonna be liquid cooled?


In my SUBJECTIVE and personal OPINION, my former 2014 Yamaha Raider accomplished this look perfectly:

Nov 22nd 2017, 10:27 AM   #120
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by albatrosscafe
I never liked the big cowls that are on these kinds of bikes. I think they are just large and awkward. If you took the cowl off for the classic headlight-only look, I might like the sport-glide a bit more. I can't tell from the small pic in the OP - is this gonna be liquid cooled?


In my SUBJECTIVE and personal OPINION, my former 2014 Yamaha Raider accomplished this look perfectly:

The fairing and the bags on the Sport Glide are all quick remove items.

And no, the Milwalkee 8 is not liquid cooled. That is an oil cooler that you see.

I think that Yamaha's Star line of bikes have come the closest of all the imports to nailing the proper cruiser look.

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Edited by VeritasImageryNW on Nov 22nd 2017 at 10:30 AM
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