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Nov 18th 2017, 07:50 PM   #76
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
Geez, nobody hates on Harleys, we just gently poke at them for outrageous claims and silly inappropriate model names. Why so much butthurt? Lighten up.

Personally, I know I will own a Harley one day, I just hope this day is not coming at me too fast...
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Nov 19th 2017, 03:11 AM   #77
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  Jan 2016
  Beijing

  Honda CBF190R
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Originally Posted by Suzuki Stevo
I have never been a Harley Hater, I'm just glad that with Polaris taking on the Indian name, we now have more Cruzer options...I have my eye on the Chieftain Classic as my next addition.

At first glance I thought that the right side passenger peg was a kick start. Odd first thought! Haha.
Nov 19th 2017, 06:01 AM   #78
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
As a guy looking for an Astro van to haul his race bike I am offended, terrorized and outraged by your lack of compassion.
I believe you should be looking at the new Dodge Caravans instead, they have 'safe place' storage bins that are climate controlled to keep snowflakes intact.

But the OP way back on post 1, yes, that is a nice bar-hopper. Don't drink and ride, nor do algebra. Drinking and deriving is bad.
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Nov 19th 2017, 08:54 AM   #79
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  Jan 2016
  Custer WA

  Aprilia Tuono 1100
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
Geez, nobody hates on Harleys, we just gently poke at them for outrageous claims and silly inappropriate model names. Why so much butthurt? Lighten up.
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Well said. I don''t like the bike the OP posted. That doesn't mean I hate all things HD. I kinda like the Street Rod, which looks far more "sporty" than the Sport Glide.

I have thought for years that they should put out a Street Rod style of bike with the Vrod engine. Guess that will never happen now. It is nice to see HD put out something with a more sporty seating position though.
Nov 19th 2017, 09:18 AM   #80
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  Jan 2016
  Adjacent to the Hobbit Garage

This thread is an example of one of the down sides to the PNWReformation.

Folks miss out on (or forget) the Wisdom of the Asinine.

How About a Positive Harley Thread
Nov 19th 2017, 11:43 AM   #81
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  Jan 2016
  WA

  Harley Davidson LR-S
We may have reached a critical turning point... lol. *pictures fat leather chapped bushy beard rider shaking hands with a bright yellow power ranger, fireworks go off in the background, American flag is raised*


Couple thoughts.

The PNW is a playground for sportsbikes. I've never lived anywhere that has such fun roads. It's one reason why sportsbikes are awesome to have.

However, coming from the Wyoming/Montana area, that was cruiser country. It's not enjoyable on a sportsbike. Long, long straights, slow sweeping curves, bored cops with nothing to do other than wait in a speed trap. Harley's make as much sense out there as sports bikes make out here.


The big thing I think that tends to get over looked between the two is the instant torque of a big V-twin engine. My Fz1 was highly modified, but in comparison it felt like a turbo spooling up, where as the LR-S feels like a big block V8, the power is instantly there. I also don't have to be so critical with my wrist when I crank on it, the FZ1 I had to watch like a hawk to stay legal, it always wanted to go much faster. While something I love when I want to push a bike, it was not something that was enjoyable when commuting. I always felt like I took it's joy away right before it had it. I could hit 85mph in first gear, hitting 40 was quite literally just getting started.

The liter bike liked 40-120mph for it's fun spot.
The LR-S likes 10-100mph.

Not as fast, but more fun around town for me.



Another thing that I think gets over looked: I hear about a bike being too big, but have you ever ridden a bike that's too small?

I have, and it's miserable. Your knees don't hit right so the tank feels weird and you're at an uncomfortable angle that doesn't quite work in the turns and even worse the handle bars aren't right. Grips are too small and the bar is too narrow. Yeah you can swap those out but imagine a cruiser sized handle bar on something like a SV650. Just weird looking at best, and the rest is still too small. Feels like a bear riding a tricycle. The LR-S is the first bike that's physically big enough for me to physically fit right. The grip size makes a big difference, button lay out, knee position, ect.


Now, I keep saying LR-S rather than Harley for a reason. It was the only Harley that really did it for me. I road a lot of them. The LR-S has an engine in it that can be built to ~140lbs of torque and ~140 Horsepower. Now I know in the inline 4 world 140 horsepower isn't insane, but Harleys are about torque. From the factory the Lr-S has 100lbs at idle. And that torque is fun as all get out. Muscle car vs sports car.


And something to remember as well, we tend to only remember the douchier riders, not the ones we see 9/10 times. I don't know any Harley riders who riders around with straight pipes who just goes around saying, "America!" while eating BBQ off his 1911. Nor do I know any sportsbike riders riding with the newest gear talking about how much better his bike he just bought is to the guy on an older model as he brags about doing a wheelie at 140mph during rush hour in down town Seattle.


So, am I a Harley rider for life? Got nothing to do with that, it's about the bike I ride. I can see myself buying another sportsbike because I enjoy the way they move, but I also see myself keeping the LR-S because I enjoy the way it moves. Chicken-scratches vs cursive, depends on my mood. I see no reason you can't have both, only brand I choose is Motorcyclist.

And as such I think if you never look at a Harley/Cruiser you're missing out in a different yet completely enjoyable experience.

Edited by CaptainAwesome on Nov 19th 2017 at 11:47 AM
Nov 19th 2017, 02:05 PM   #82
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick, wa

  '05 Busa, '81 Seca 550, '78 Hawk, '69 Z50A etc..
Just for clarification, I do not own a Harley. I do have some experience with the brand as I was dropped into the sales management position at a Harley store back in 2000. At that point, I knew absolutely nothing about them. What I thought I knew got changed significantly over the next 4 years. I had a half dozen different "demo's" over that time period, and gained a whole new respect for the Motor Company and the products they make.

Fast forward to this year. My wife is now the Motorclothes manager at our local HD store. The owner graciously allowed me to go with them to the annual dealer show this year in LA.

This is where I was reminded of the passion the Motor Company has. These folks LOVE what they do. Without question, they are some of the most passionate motorcyclists I've met.

This show was also the unveiling of the new "softtail" frame.

It is yet another example how HD is able to keep the traditional HD look intact, yet completely redesign how it functions.

The Dyna chassis is now gone. In it's place is the new soft tail frame, that is 35 lbs lighter than the previous frame, and much, much stiffer. Bottom line, it's going to be a much better bike.

I was also lucky enough to meet and talk with an incredibly cool, down-to-earth guy by the name of Willie G Davidson. He's not as involved with the day to day stuff any more, so it was fun to watch as the engineers walked him from bike to bike and talked about all the new and improved aspects of each one.
The perma-grin on his face was contagious.

Anyway.. different strokes for different folks ya know?

Oh... and anyone that doesn't think the new Fatboy with the satin finish chrome looks awesome just isn't lookin.
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Nov 19th 2017, 03:22 PM   #83
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
It's funny that I find myself defending Harleys. I spent the first decade or so of my street riding career disliking cruisers, and loathing Harleys. I was a die hard sport bike person, and primarily Honda at that. But things changed. Not only did I grow up, but car accidents that made riding painful began to have an effect on me. I was away from riding for several years because any time I even sat on a sport bike my neck would spasm and my hands would tingle. So I gave up my dream of riding. But eventually a let a friend talk me into riding their 750 Shadow. I was able to ride for an hour with no pain, no issues. Cruisers meant that I could ride again. And along with that was that I found I didn't need the adrenaline rush, the straifing of the corners, to enjoy myself.

So I found I enjoyed cruisers, but that little Honda was still to vanilla for me. Sure it did everything it was supposed to quite well, but it had no character. Nothing else to draw me to it. So, with a Harley shop next door, I decided to give one of those "things" a go. I immediately loved it. Not only could I ride for hours, but all the character was there. The torque at the bottom was amazing. The sound pounded in my soul. And the ability to feel each piston movement took me back to the 70s muscle cars.

And here's the next part, because those cruisers, those Harleys, kept the fire for bikes alive, I not only took the chance on riding sport bikes again, I am now back to owning one.

In have found that motorcycles of all types and brands have a special place. We should embrace the fact that someone else chooses to ride, regardless of what they choose to ride.

So maybe all those who find the need to bash other's choice of bike, should grow up...and shut up.

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Nov 19th 2017, 03:45 PM   #84
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
I have had 5 different Harleys, and at least a dozen Japanese bikes in my riding history.
My Harleys were all reliable, comfortable, and cool. The Ultra touring bike was a rolling couch. I rode it back and forth to Los Angeles a couple of times. I remember going 75mph through the desert on 395 with cruise control on, no hands on the bars, listening to music on the stereo. And it got 45mpg everywhere.

But Harley lacks the most important factor in riding, IMO, which is the dynamics, the fun part of riding, acceleration, deceleration, and turning. On a Hog these things just aren't fun.

You can go everywhere on a Harley and there will always be someone to talk with. Every time you stop for a burger another Harley will pull up to the same place. Harleys multiply at burger parking lots for some reason.

Eventually I sold them and moved back to Kawasaki and Honda because W007!

Now I ride across the desert on a C14 that does EVERYTHING moar bedder!

Nothing wrong with the Hawg. They just aint the kind of fun I want.

And then, the cherry on top - that SOUND of a howling 4cylinder liter bike when it is up on the pipe.....just....secks!

I've loved that sound since my first Kerker back in the early 80's. And before that it was a Specialist II set on my RD400F Daytona. Stingers!!!



Riiiinnnggggggg dingggg dingggg dingggg.....

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Edited by Sentinel on Nov 19th 2017 at 03:50 PM
Nov 19th 2017, 04:57 PM   #85
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Totally get the sound thing. Love the sound of an inline four (other than a Honda Civic). The smaller displacement twins just don't do it for me. But the big Harley twin is different, more of a primal thing. Like the difference between a screaming 5 liter v12 Ferrari and a big block v8 muscle car, both are great for different reasons.

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Nov 19th 2017, 07:18 PM   #86
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  Jan 2016
  Stumpy Puddleton

  R1200ST, CB350
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Totally get the sound thing. Love the sound of an inline four (other than a Honda Civic). The smaller displacement twins just don't do it for me. But the big Harley twin is different, more of a primal thing.
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It's worth mentioning that even parallel twins have different crankshaft angles and therefore different sounds: for example the 270-degree Triumphs have a vee-reminiscent double-pulse sound which is very nice even with the stock exhaust. It also means the piston motion is out of phase; i.e. the pistons are not accelerating and decelerating at the same time, which has some mechanical advantages.
Nov 19th 2017, 09:42 PM   #87
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
It's worth mentioning that even parallel twins have different crankshaft angles and therefore different sounds: for example the 270-degree Triumphs have a vee-reminiscent double-pulse sound which is very nice even with the stock exhaust. It also means the piston motion is out of phase; i.e. the pistons are not accelerating and decelerating at the same time, which has some mechanical advantages.
I get it, I meant the smaller displacement v-twins as well as the parallel ones. The v-twins in the little Shadow, and even the SVs just aren't the same sound and feel. And I understand how the differences in v angle and such effect. That's exactly why the majority of Japanese v-twin cruisers just don't have the same impact with me, they just come across as poor imitations.

And yes, I have to agree that Triumph's parallel twin, at least the older ones I have ridden, had a much nicer tone than, say my daughter's 250 Ninja. But at the same time, those older Triumphs still had that character in their flaws. I haven't ridden any of the current Bonnies to know if they have retained any of that character, or if it's been overly refined out of them.

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Edited by VeritasImageryNW on Nov 19th 2017 at 09:48 PM
Nov 19th 2017, 11:54 PM   #88
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  Jan 2016
  Rome

  SV650S, CRF450R, and others
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Originally Posted by Skiffman
Funny thing is I have aftermarket pipes on both my bikes. They both get mistaken for Harleys lol
A V4 and a twin that winds to 8,000 rpm.....,
Ya might want to check that VTwin rev limiter as they just start sounding good at 8,000rpm! haha

Edited by Thumperpilot on Nov 19th 2017 at 11:57 PM
Nov 20th 2017, 01:20 PM   #89
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
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Nov 20th 2017, 01:55 PM   #90
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
I admit I was feeling cruiserish. Got Ducati Diavel, which does both a cruiser thing and a sportbike thing, both way above my limitations. And the sound... oh my.

No, I totally get the Harley thing. To reiterate, what I don't get is the bullshit that too often comes with it (see above).
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