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Nov 12th 2017, 09:22 PM   #46
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And as I continue to point out to the local "anti-Harley" contingent, the majority of American street riders own Harleys. Latest numbers even show at as Harley's sales numbers are diminishing still, their market share for 2017 is increasing again.

The reality is, if you don't ride a Harley in the US, you are in the minority, by a fair amount.

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Nov 12th 2017, 10:55 PM   #47
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  Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
And as I continue to point out to the local "anti-Harley" contingent, the majority of American street riders own Harleys. Latest numbers even show at as Harley's sales numbers are diminishing still, their market share for 2017 is increasing again.

The reality is, if you don't ride a Harley in the US, you are in the minority, by a fair amount.
The Motor Company says its U.S. market share in Q2 was 48.5 percent in the 601cc-plus segment.

And that's even before counting 600cc-minus segment.

I honestly don't care what you ride, just don't make shit up, OK?
Nov 13th 2017, 06:36 AM   #48
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The Motor Company says its U.S. market share in Q2 was 48.5 percent in the 601cc-plus segment.

And that's even before counting 600cc-minus segment.

I honestly don't care what you ride, just don't make shit up, OK?
Once again your bias clouds your senses. Maybe try staying up to date on your info.

"However, despite a very competitive market, Harley-Davidson’s market share was up by 0.8 percentage points to 53.1% in Q3 2017." Forbes.com

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Nov 13th 2017, 06:41 AM   #49
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And from the same place you sourced your quote from:

'Harley-Davidson's U.S. market share for the quarter was 53.1 percent in the 601cc-plus segment, up compared to the same quarter in 2016." cnbc.com

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Nov 13th 2017, 08:10 AM   #50
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I've done a couple unofficial Harley counts while out for a days riding. What I noticed both times was that about half of all motorcycles I see are Harleys.

I liked my Harleys. The thing was that they didn't give me what I most-love about riding, which is the dynamics, the relationship of bike/rider/road, that a fast, competent bike gives.

YMMV

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Nov 13th 2017, 12:28 PM   #51
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  Stumpy Puddleton

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How about if the OP reposts his question in a new thread and people who are interested can talk about the new bike in it and the rest of us can read it if we want? And meanwhile we just leave this one here to continue to soak up the umpteenth repetitions of the same old generic comments?
Nov 13th 2017, 12:44 PM   #52
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How about if the OP reposts his question in a new thread and people who are interested can talk about the new bike in it and the rest of us can read it if we want? And meanwhile we just leave this one here to continue to soak up the umpteenth repetitions of the same old generic comments?
How about all those that are disgusted by Harleys just avoid all threads regarding said bikes. I don't understand their need to always comment on threads regarding bikes they hate.

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Nov 13th 2017, 01:44 PM   #53
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How about all those that are disgusted by Harleys just avoid all threads regarding said bikes. I don't understand their need to always comment on threads regarding bikes they hate.

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Yeah, I was kind of driving at that too. Not a massive Harley fan myself -- though some permutations of the Sportster line definitely get to me a little -- but I always enjoy reading what enthusiasts have to say about any type of bike. You learn something and sometimes their enthusiasm is contagious, and maybe one day you give a bike a try because something someone said changed your perspective.

An occasional splash of funny, original snark can be fun, particularly if it follows on from what someone actually says in the thread. But rote bashing because it's what you always do, using the words you always use, because the thread is there... who needs that? It's made this thread pointless.
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Nov 13th 2017, 04:05 PM   #54
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Point taken. Although it would be much less tempting if Harley wasn't adding "Sport" to the names of some underpowered overweight bikes.
Nov 13th 2017, 04:15 PM   #55
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Point taken. Although it would be much less tempting if Harley wasn't adding "Sport" to the names of some underpowered overweight bikes.
And again...

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Nov 16th 2017, 10:02 AM   #56
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Here we go again....

NEWS FLASH;

We ride motorcycles.

This is a motorcycle forum.

Harley Davidson's are motorcycles.

WTF is the problem?

Those of you that bash so quickly (and without ANY knowledge whatsoever, I might add)... do you bash others when they choose scalloped potatoes instead of mashed? (My god.. who would make that choice?)

Are you the guy that relentlessly makes fun of the co-worker that buys a Cadillac instead of an Audi? (cause Caddy's are soft and don't handle, right?)

Android vs iphone? Holy shit man... why would ANYONE buy an iphone?

"you bought an F350 instead of a Lightning?" "That Superduty doesn't handle for shit! You should have chosen a Lightning or a newer Raptor..." (But I like the bigger truck.. I really don't care if it doesn't jump or rip off-road.. that's not why I have a truck)

*What makes you think YOUR choice of motorcycles is better than someone elses? Are you really THAT special?
No. You're not.


This bullshit chest pounding about how "bad" Harleys are is sickening.

It makes all of us look bad.

It makes this forum look bad.

Do I own one? Nope.
Would I own one? Meh... maybe someday. That's not the point.

Get over yourselves.
Nov 16th 2017, 11:47 AM   #57
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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We non Harley riders didn’t start the bashing. From the introduction of Japanese bikes back in the 1960s and ‘70s, Harley riders bashed rice burners and frankly any other bike that was not a Harley. They continued to snub anything non Harley for decades and with a large contingent it continues today.

I think of it like religious believers and scientific empiricists. Harley riders insisted everything but a Harley was shit while everyone but Harley riders were smug in the knowledge that they were riding a much better machine for much less money.

So there you have it. Some historical perspective.
Nov 16th 2017, 12:32 PM   #58
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we all ride the bikes we want to ride...ricers bash cruisers...cruisers bash ricers...only one side gets all thinned skinned about it and whines about it...as I always say..if the shoe fits wear it..with pride...none of my bikes are perfect and aren't bikes for everybody else..wanna bash 'em? go ahead..I'm not that insecure and I won't cry about it...

ps..all of the Harley bashing wouldn't be as much FUN if the Harley riders didn't react as they do...that's the icing on the cake fellas...

Edited by chadams66 on Nov 16th 2017 at 12:53 PM
Nov 16th 2017, 01:40 PM   #59
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There will always be numerous excuses to justify putting down another persons choices.

That doesn't make them right or acceptable.

Truth be told, todays Harley riders aren't the same group that bashed rice burners back in the 60's and 70's. I'll wager many of them have owned lots of other brands, plenty of them probably still do.

Just like the motorcycles themselves, it's not fair, nor is it correct, to assume nothing has changed in 30+ years.
Nov 16th 2017, 02:05 PM   #60
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We non Harley riders didn’t start the bashing. From the introduction of Japanese bikes back in the 1960s and ‘70s, [snip]

I'm afraid I don't see how this means that it's okay that a guy -- in only his second comment on this forum -- can't talk about a bike make he likes without it turning into a pile-on.

Like I said, Harley fan or not I would infinitely prefer to read the informed comments of enthusiasts than page after page of the same old snark.
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