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Nov 26th 2017, 05:58 AM   #136
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And that's where we differ. Cruisers, and specifically Harleys, have shown me that I actually enjoy the more relaxed pace they bring more than I enjoyed the hyperness that riding fast brought. Even now, when I ride the CBR, it's at a much more relaxed pace. A side benefit, I don't have to stress about seeing a cop.

Fortunately I do have both the Harley and the CBR, that way I have a choice based on my mood.
Now all you need is a sumo and a side hack to round out the fleet.

And maybe a Grom.

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Not sure what I'd do if someone told me I had to get rid of one.

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Nov 26th 2017, 06:52 AM   #137
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I don't know about that whole cop-free riding thing with a Harley. While you might not be suspected of racing, if I was a cop and it was like 13:00 on a Saturday I'd want to check to see how many beers you had with your burger and fries for lunch.
Nov 26th 2017, 12:17 PM   #138
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All cops know 13:00 is the drug trafficking hour. 14:00 is when illegal guns get trafficked, and by 14:45 it's crumpets and tea.
Nov 26th 2017, 02:15 PM   #139
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And as I continue to point out to the local "anti-Harley" contingent, the majority of American street riders own Harleys. Latest numbers even show at as Harley's sales numbers are diminishing still, their market share for 2017 is increasing again.

The reality is, if you don't ride a Harley in the US, you are in the minority, by a fair amount.

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Majority of people are sheep who think bigger engine means more Power.

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Nov 26th 2017, 02:28 PM   #140
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Majority of people are sheep who think bigger engine means more Power.
Not sure how this relatates as the reality is that most Harleys buyers are not concerned with performance numbers.

I think this is what confuses sport bike riders who are so concerned with hp numbers, lap times, and fractions of a pound weight differences (Even though those things hardly mean anything on the street). Harley riders rarely give a damn about those.

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Nov 26th 2017, 02:30 PM   #141
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Because bigger does mean more power. However design and engineering also mean more power or in different ways.

The V-twin in my Sv650 made a lot less power then the v-twin I have now that's 3 times the size.

An inline 4 will make more top end numbers than a v-twin thats even larger than it, but won't make low end torque the same.

All about where you want the power and how its delivered. But size does relate to power, just not the only variable.
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Nov 26th 2017, 03:13 PM   #142
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Exactly, though the current R1 puts out about 200hp, it only puts out around 85ft/lbs of torque, and that's not until 11,500. But the current 107ci Harley engine is putting out 110ft/lbs all the way down at 3000. That's usable street power.

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Nov 26th 2017, 04:45 PM   #143
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Nov 26th 2017, 04:58 PM   #144
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I feel like I should be nervous though that I don't see any prices, especially looking at the parts list. Google is saying like $78k...

But those are custom built bikes, not production type models. No way you can keep the price down in that sort of thing.
Nov 26th 2017, 05:09 PM   #145
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Actually, the quote I saw was $100,000

That same engine is available from S&S for about $9000, and it's a direct bolt in for '06 and up Twin Cam Harleys (with a re-tune needed, and I'd probably want to add an upgraded Baker tranny to deal with the massive power).
Nov 26th 2017, 05:24 PM   #146
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Oh, well in that case I'll take two.
Nov 26th 2017, 06:40 PM   #147
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Oh, well in that case I'll take two.
Now that's $100,000 for the 23 unit, hand-built, 143ci, carbon framed and wheeled Method, built in partnership with Suter motorcycles.

$78,000 gets you the standard GT that comes with aluminum frame and 124ci engine.

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Nov 26th 2017, 10:43 PM   #148
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Now that's $100,000 for the 23 unit, hand-built, 143ci, carbon framed and wheeled Method, built in partnership with Suter motorcycles.

$78,000 gets you the standard GT that comes with aluminum frame and 124ci engine.
Probably weighs half of what Harley does. And yes, I do find lighter bikes much more enjoyable on the street.
Nov 27th 2017, 05:42 AM   #149
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Probably less than half. To be honest I would say the power to weight ratio on it would make it one major wheelie machine.

Sure be fun, but so would a house. I'll give it to the man though, he's got good taste.
Nov 27th 2017, 07:41 AM   #150
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...Harleys buyers are not concerned with performance numbers...
Based on the amount of money spent on "Stage 1" kits, I would say you are in error.

It's not that they don't care about going fast. It is just that they care about looking cool first, and going fast(er) second.

More profit on tee-shirts than on motorcycles.

"Honey, have you seen my black shirt with the skulls on it? The fellas are coming over in a few minutes."
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