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Jun 26th 2017, 09:21 AM   #1
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Harley buys Ducati? Harloti?

Rumor. But, still.

Probably not a big deal at first. Ducati's got some fans and some good bikes. BUt when it is time for R and D and new models...then what?

Ducati's working on a V4. Think the Hog can bring that to fruition in a street bike?

It's not all bad though. I have had 5 harleys over the years, and I found them to be bullet-proof and easy to maintain. Never a drop of oil leaked or burned. Never a valve burned or an electrical short. Never a stall or stutter. And to the point - no maintenance to speak of other than oil changes. I don't think I did _any_ maintenance on my Harleys other than oil and tires and brake pads. I can't recall ever having to fix anything or adjust anything. Of course I spent a million bucks on bolt-ons, but that's another thing altogether.

Can anyone say the same of any Duc?

The Italian bikes are uber sexy and they have a cult of believers just like the MoCo.

But can oil and water mix?
Jun 26th 2017, 09:42 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Sentinel

Can anyone say the same of any Duc?
Apples n oranges so to speak.

To expect a high rpm, high output engine to be as reliable as a low rpm, and output engine is not realistic.

That would be like comparing a Harley engine to a Sulzer diesel engine and thinking that the Harley is a pile because it doesn't hold up as well.
Jun 26th 2017, 09:52 AM   #3
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Apples n oranges so to speak.
that's the thing. when those two fruits are in the same basket........which color wins? red or orange?
Jun 26th 2017, 10:04 AM   #4
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Don't forget that Harley had owned MV, and then had to sell it back at a major loss.

Harley-Davidson takes a beating on MV Agusta
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Jun 26th 2017, 10:08 AM   #5
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Ducati is on fire while Harley sales are declining, so they would have to buy at a premium, and potentially sell at a huge loss if they fail to manage it.

I do see Harley using Ducati help to make Sportster a 100 lbs lighter and handle at least half-decently, in return providing them with a corner in each of 10000 Harley dealerships. Win-win!
Jun 26th 2017, 10:45 AM   #6
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HD and Ducati are so different that it doesn't make sense to me for HD to buy them.

I hope who ever buys Ducati leaves them alone to do their own thing.

If HD wanted to drop a bunch of weight off of a sportster, and make it handle better I'm sure they could do that without input from Ducati.

It's a sportster, a low tech entry level cruiser, not a sport bike. Why would you waste time and resources modifying a sportster instead of a street rod?
Jun 26th 2017, 11:01 AM   #7
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Reading an article by Reuters indicates that Bajaj (owns Indian) and several buyout funds are also bidding. However the most fascinating bit of info was to find that Ducati used to make radios and vacuum tubes - a core element of my own business!

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Jun 26th 2017, 11:05 AM   #8
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Maybe it will be like Ferrari and Ford and we will get a GT40 of a bike from Harley if the deal goes belly up. Never underestimate the power of spite. lol
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Jun 26th 2017, 01:34 PM   #9
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Reading an article by Reuters indicates that Bajaj (owns Indian) and several buyout funds are also bidding. However the most fascinating bit of info was to find that Ducati used to make radios and vacuum tubes - a core element of my own business!

Ahhh to be a successful business and make lots of money
Yamaha made tuning forks
Nintendo made playing cards
AMF made Harleys

Cool Ducati tid-bit, BTW
Jun 26th 2017, 01:56 PM   #10
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One also wonders if anyone at Harley remembers the Aermacchi debacle. When Harley was partnered with Aermacchi they were smoking hot in MotoGP and at IOM. But Harley didn't transfer any of the technology that helped Aermacchi win Euro races into the American market Aermacchi street bikes. CB350s and RD350s buried them. It would be a shame if Ducati ended up emasculated.

Kinda wish Piaggio was bidding. Then they could own MotoGP bikes that last an entire race.
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Jun 26th 2017, 04:47 PM   #11
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Ducati is on fire while Harley sales are declining, so they would have to buy at a premium, and potentially sell at a huge loss if they fail to manage it.
"First quarter worldwide Harley-Davidson retail motorcycle sales were down 4.2 percent compared to the same period in 2016. In line with the companyís expectations, Harley-Davidson retail motorcycle sales in the U.S. were down 5.7 percent compared to the year-ago quarter, with the overall U.S. industry down for the same period. Harley-Davidson's U.S. market share for the quarter was 51.3 percent in the 601cc-plus segment, up compared to the first quarter in 2016. Harley-Davidsonís international retail sales decreased 1.8 percent compared to the same quarter in 2016."

When you look at numbers, you need to look at all of them. Yes, Harley's sales were down (including merchandise), but so were all other manufacturers' sales. On the other hand, their market share increased, meaning they had a smaller decrease in US sales than the other manufacturers. And the reality is that though Ducati sales may be up everywhere else, they have declined in the US as well.

Harley-Davidson Reports Declines In Motorcycle Sales, Earnings, And Revenue During First Quarter Of 2017

https://gearheads.org/ducati-bmw-sal...ine-in-the-us/
Jun 26th 2017, 05:58 PM   #12
 
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Did any of the articles indicate why the Volkswagen Group wants to sell Ducati.

The whole point of Ducati being owned by Audi through its Italian subsidiary Lamborghini was to compete with BMW.

That experiment must have failed.
Jun 26th 2017, 06:25 PM   #13
 
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"VW Group purchased Ducati via Audi back in 2012 when the automaker was riding high, but the ever-escalating costs of its diesel-emissions cheating scandal are forcing the German group to cut back on expenses."

Harley-Davidson Wants to Take Over Ducati: Report
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Jun 26th 2017, 06:37 PM   #14
 
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I believe Bajaj owns half of KTM as well. They are the ones responsible for the RC390 and Duke 390. I think we all know how those curry flavored KTMs are doing.
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Jun 26th 2017, 07:06 PM   #15
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Just gonna leave this here...

Edited by Burphel on Jun 26th 2017 at 07:09 PM
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