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May 15th 2019, 06:43 AM   #46
 Akdawg's Avatar
 
  Dec 2018
  Goldendale WA

  Classic Sportsters, Triumph & BSA
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Originally Posted by Parilla125
You are crazy! Boeing is ONLY about safety, making a comfortable and happy workplace, and making sure the workers have a good wage. Really! No kidding! They care not for making a profit. It is all about the people and customers. Yup. I read it on the Googles! It MUST be true!
Only way that happens is that Boeing employees have a UNION that looks out for them! Look back in history to the plight of workers. Henry Ford only raised wages, so he could sell cars to his workers. He had union people shot and killed. Corporate doesn't give shit about workers, long as they have beer (to be happy) and can reproduce to staff the factories they could care less.
May 15th 2019, 07:22 AM   #47
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  R1200ST, CB350
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Originally Posted by Texasl
I believe that the population centers will naturally shift to take advantage of the expansion of the rail transit systems.
That's pretty much the way it happened in the U.S. The railroads determined where the people went at least as much as the other way around, and an incredible amount of land speculation was based on that. Hell, until 1940 you could buy a house out of a Sears catalogue, but it was only practical in towns accessible by rail because they certainly didn't have fleets of semis nor an interstate system to roll them on.
May 15th 2019, 09:39 AM   #48
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
With projected 2000 daily riders, I don't think the rail will shape any cities anymore. Maybe new towns will grow around fast charging stations...
May 15th 2019, 10:16 AM   #49
 
  Apr 2016
  WA

Yeah, tax tires, as if the masses needed any more reason to ignore their tires and not replace them until they are corded and leaking air.

Plus far too many variables to make taxing tires reliable.
May 15th 2019, 10:28 AM   #50
 VeritasImageryNW's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by FireDave
Built by hard-working individuals.

The UBC that keeps your house standing following a 7.2 earthquake, while tens of thousands of home collapse in Turkey and Nicaragua following a 6.5 . . our codes were written by hard-working civil servants, enforced by hardworking civil servants.

Same for the power grid, same for the roads, same for the ditch that flanks your curb-less street.

So I'm glad you can see all that, even in a remote rural village. South Kitsap Peninsula has paved roads. Courtesy of the tax revenues from the urban density and value-added economy of Western Puget Sound's metropolis. You're welcome.

LiberPolly. Explain to me why your house is "well-built." The altruism of the builder? Or don't explain it, and keep displaying your monumental ignorance and willful neglect of the facts.
For one, while I acknowledged both roads and power grid, the reality is that neither were actually built by government workers. The actual construction of roads and power systems is done, at least in rural areas, by private companies that are contracted by the government. Government workers simply maintain those things.

Secondly, my house was built in 1969, well before most restrictive, and expensive, building codes. I remember when you could build a carport without having some civil servant (oxymoron there) decide whether you could or not, and then having to pay a fee. And now, I have to pay a fee and get a permit just to pour a concrete floor in my motorcycle shop.

You use the word "altruism" but the reality is that it exists more in the private sector than it does in any government agency. The government just wants to make you believe they give a damn while they put their hands in your pockets.
May 15th 2019, 03:59 PM   #51
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
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Originally Posted by Akdawg
Only way that happens is that Boeing employees have a UNION that looks out for them! Look back in history to the plight of workers. Henry Ford only raised wages, so he could sell cars to his workers. He had union people shot and killed. Corporate doesn't give shit about workers, long as they have beer (to be happy) and can reproduce to staff the factories they could care less.
From my decades of experience working in union shops, the only people the Union really looks after is the Union, not the members.

Doubt me? Next time you see any union membership go out on strike, ask them if the Union strike pay is comparable to the paycheck they're now out of. I'd even bet that they still have to pay their union dues for that time. It could be deferred but the Unions still want their share of your labor.
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May 15th 2019, 11:09 PM   #52
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

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Originally Posted by Akdawg
Only way that happens is that Boeing employees have a UNION that looks out for them! Look back in history to the plight of workers. Henry Ford only raised wages, so he could sell cars to his workers. He had union people shot and killed. Corporate doesn't give shit about workers, long as they have beer (to be happy) and can reproduce to staff the factories they could care less.
Uhhhhh, I hope you know what I wrote was not serious?
I have two copies of "Blood On The Water". The history of Unions. Good read. Unions got us all weekends off, 40 hour workweeks and benefits among other things at the cost of death, beatings, hard work and toughness.
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May 16th 2019, 03:46 PM   #53
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
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Originally Posted by Parilla125
Uhhhhh, I hope you know what I wrote was not serious?
I have two copies of "Blood On The Water". The history of Unions. Good read. Unions got us all weekends off, 40 hour workweeks and benefits among other things at the cost of death, beatings, hard work and toughness.
Henry Ford, not unions, gave those in 1914.

He did the 8 hour work day, weekends off and benefits as a means of not only attracting reliable labor but keeping his trained employees from going to his competitors.

The unions had organized and were starting to campaign for them, but it was Ford that gave them, not the unions. The fledgling UAW was able to get GM and Chrysler to provide those benefits in 1937 when they signed a labor agreement (pushed by FDR's cronies). Ford signed a UAW contract on June 20th, 1941 despite saying that he would close the plants before working with the UAW. The biggest differences between the union contract Ford had and the others were higher wages and Ford would deduct the union dues directly from the worker's pay for the union. Unions no longer needed to send their thugs around to force payment of dues.
May 16th 2019, 06:05 PM   #54
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '08 BMW K12GT, '05 BMW R12ST
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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
The government just wants to make you believe they give a damn while they put their hands in your pockets.
You really believe that? It's not true. It's what you've been fed, over and over and over again, but makes it no less false.

Really. Your statement here is a monumentally paranoid, delusional and ridiculous point of view. Please don't make the mistake that because you and so many others have swallowed the jizz from faux-news, Eyman and the federalist society . . . that it's somehow less insane because you have power (sic) in numbers.

And put some Acyclovir on the sores in your mouth. Maybe your disease won't spread to others.

Fucking hilarious. Corporate Amurka continues to rob us all blind, and you still blame those of us working hard just to keep things from falling into anarchy,

Question: Have your ever said, written or otherwise repeated the notion of "I support the troops?" Please explain why.

Last: What is now the Uniform Building Code has it's origins since 1927. And it's why your 1969-built house is still standing after the Nisqually earthquake. It's likely we'd have Brazil-esque favelas throughout western Washington without the UBC.

Edited by FireDave on May 16th 2019 at 06:10 PM
May 16th 2019, 08:07 PM   #55
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by FireDave
Really. Your statement here is a monumentally paranoid, delusional and ridiculous point of view. Please don't make the mistake that because you and so many others have swallowed the jizz from faux-news, Eyman and the federalist society . . . that it's somehow less insane because you have power (sic) in numbers.

And put some Acyclovir on the sores in your mouth. Maybe your disease won't spread to others.
Thank you for such a compelling, logical, well thought-through argument. You sure convinced everyone here with one masterstroke of persuasion.
May 17th 2019, 07:52 AM   #56
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

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Originally Posted by Parilla125
Uhhhhh, I hope you know what I wrote was not serious?
I have two copies of "Blood On The Water". The history of Unions. Good read. Unions got us all weekends off, 40 hour workweeks and benefits among other things at the cost of death, beatings, hard work and toughness.
Actually the book is "Blood In The Water" and it is the history of the IAM...
May 17th 2019, 09:47 AM   #57
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by FireDave
Question: Have your ever said, written or otherwise repeated the notion of "I support the troops?" Please explain why.
I'll tell you why. My grandfather was a WWII vet. My oldest son was a US Army Cav Scout and Iraqi war vet. My one son-in-law was also a Cav Scout and Iraqi war vet and now both National Guard and contracted full-time Army infantryman. My daughter, his wife, is a National Guard Blackhawk mechanic and contracted full-time Army hanger support and crew chief. My other son-in-law is full time Army as an Airborne Medic, working towards being a full Flight Medic.

I stand firmly behind my belief that our government's purpose was outlined at the birth of our nation. Its entire purpose was to support and encourage the Private Sector, not replace it. Its job was not to protect us from ourselves, do stuff for us, or provide things for us. Other than moral code laws, the individual citizen should never be directly impacted by the government. The problem is that as the government has controlled education we have raised several generations that believe the opposite. That the government is a benevolent organization who is the only one that can take care of us, and that that's all it simply wants to do.

You call me paranoid, well considering how many of our Founding Fathers felt, I'm in good company. Those men experienced first-hand how a strong central government "took care of" the people under it. They were so paranoid that they wrote a constitution that strongly limited the government, and then wrote 10 specific amendments that were intended to create a balance between the government and the people. But 200+ years later that government has grown beyond those limitations, inch by inch. And government run educational institutions no longer teach of the Father's rational "paranoia". And now we have a populace that looks to the government, rather themselves, for provision and protection. We have become a nation that is willing to sacrifice freedoms for fleeting, non-existent security, and the promise of "free stuff". And then to top it all off, those who believe, as I do, in returning the US back to the constitutional limitations, are berated and name-called. The sad thing is that having to resort to names, berating, and emotional outbursts, is a strong indication that the argument is weak.
May 17th 2019, 02:20 PM   #58
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
So let me get this straight, you distrust our government, but your entire family works for them? And participated in a war started on false pretenses?
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May 17th 2019, 03:05 PM   #59
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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So let me get this straight, you distrust our government, but your entire family works for them? And participated in a war started on false pretenses?
A healthy mistrust of our government is not a bad thing. An unhealthy trusting of it is.
May 17th 2019, 03:43 PM   #60
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
A healthy mistrust of our government is not a bad thing. An unhealthy trusting of it is.
Man you just hit the nail on the head.

So many living in fear and it shows more and more everyday. Most don't even realize.
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