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Dec 26th 2016, 04:57 PM   #1
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  all of them
F2 revival

With apologies, this is a bit sad for an Xmas time story. Earlier this year I remember reading in the news about a local guy who wadded his sporty-sports car in a single car crash just a couple miles from his house. He passed away along with his teenage stepson passenger. Yikes!

Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and my phone rings. I'm asked to come and asses/purchase a motorcycle collection. I show up there and sure enough its the estate of the guy from the news. The family was asking for an offer on the entire lot. Multiple bikes and a ton of extra parts and gear. Stipulation being that I had to promise to clear out the garage of each and every motorcycle related item.

In other words an "all or nothing" deal as opposed to just cherry picking the good stuff. Since I'm deranged and lack any sort of self control I made an offer. Perhaps 1/2 way hoping it would be rejected. It wasn't so I had to get to work. Its always strange spending hours going through bin after bin/shelf after shelf of a stranger's stuff separating "bike things" from "not bike things". Putting yourself in the other person's shoes always seems to make it less strange though and relieving grieving family members of that task isn't such a bad thing at the end of the day.

This was van load #1 and there was one more. A couple Ducatis, an early 90's Honda 600F2 and a TON of extra bits/gear/stuff/engines/etc.



All the Ducati (bikes, parts, etc) stuff I had a buyer for right away. See ya bye. Which left me with a neglected and forlorn Japanese relic from 25 years ago. Hmmmm. What to do.

From meeting with the family friend/executor of the estate I got a good sense of who this man was while he was still with us. By all acounts he was a heckuva swell guy who made a mistake playing with one of his toys and paid the ultimate price. The 1992 Honda he had bought in 1993 when it was still essentially new. The story goes it was his pride/joy until the Ducatis came around about 2004 or so. At which point the F2 was permanently relegated to a garage corner underneath a sheet.

In this man's honor I've decided to restore the little guy to the best of my ability bereft of any meaningful budgetary concerns. Not to mention a complete and total disregard of my own time/effort. When finished it will not be a flawless/perfect/100% factory original example however it will be squarely in the wheelhouse.

Before anyone gets all mushy and says what a swell guy I'm being, well, thanks for that. But truthfully doing this is just as much if not more so for me. Waking up hibernating stuff is a (mostly) benign addiction of mine. For whatever reason I'm attracted to certain/bizarre things such as 90's era purple/pink Hondas with white wheels.

To be fair, I'm starting with what could be the nicest, sort-of-mostly original 1991-1994 CBR600F2 on planet Earth. 8803 miles on the clock. Has not been started or operated in at least a decade.

As nice as it is, there are several areas of concern that need attention. Suffice it to say I'm doing everything required along with some upgrades that appeal to me along the way. At this point the bike is torn apart and I've already received 2 massive orders from Lake City Powersports as well as various other vendors with all sorts of bits.

Many, many, MANY more details to follow so wish me luck.




















Edited by Red Label Moto on Dec 26th 2016 at 05:01 PM
Dec 26th 2016, 08:32 PM   #2
 
  Jan 2016
  Woodinville

Very cool Kie,
I've often thought what my wife would do if, God forbid something happened to me. Good to know things are going to be passed on to someone who will appreciate them and bringing his beloved old f2 back is a cool gesture.
She has told me before she would have no idea what my stuff would be worth or what she would do with it all. I just showed her this thread if something does happend to me you might get another call but your going to need a much bigger truck, lol. And I might haunt you a little also.
Pretty cool good luck.

Edited by Jkester92 on Dec 26th 2016 at 08:41 PM
Dec 26th 2016, 08:52 PM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

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You're right, very SAD, but cool story. Thanks for sharing with pictures. Keep us posted.....
Dec 27th 2016, 04:36 AM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Beijing

  Honda CBF190R
Kie,

If you one day decide to write a book chronicling your stories of acquisitions, restorations, dealings and all other things motorcycle related, even if that book recycled a great amount of your forum posts on these kinds of subjects, and included your dry humor and tasteful turn of phrase, I'll buy it. Even if it is a hard-bound, large format coffee table book with full color photos, etc, and carries a price tag approaching $80, I'll still buy it.

You have a way of telling these stories that I absolutely love. Thanks for sharing!
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Edited by galenernest on Dec 27th 2016 at 04:40 AM
Dec 27th 2016, 11:35 AM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Lebanon, OR

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I like where this is going.
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Dec 27th 2016, 06:15 PM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Puyallup

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Very cool.

Oh that 996. So much lust.

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Dec 27th 2016, 11:29 PM   #7
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bike collection

I'd take the 996...
Dec 28th 2016, 05:00 AM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
Wow...what a find.
Dec 28th 2016, 05:05 AM   #9
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Thanks for sharing Kie. You are certainly always up to something interesting.
Dec 28th 2016, 11:02 AM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Thanks for all the positive commentary. I'm at the "look at it blown up on the bench while I wait" stage of the game and that's always the hardest part lol.

The Ducati portion of the whole thing was a bit of a puzzler. The 2000 996 biposto was a custom painted bike (silver with white wheels) that was excruciatingly clean with a zillion doodads and extra bits. Spare bodywork, tanks, carbon pieces, spare Termignoni exhaust, on and on. Strangely enough there was a spare rebuilt 996 engine on a custom engine stand even though the engine in the 996 seemed fine.

Normally I run away from custom paint bikes, especially when the "story" is unavailable. The family had no idea why so I just went with it. This one was so clean though that it didn't seem so bad. The guy who bought all the Ducati stuff from me was a happy camper as his plan was to sell everything and just end up with the spare engine for another project.

Onto the F2...
Dec 28th 2016, 12:58 PM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Yes its ridiculous to restore a 1992 CBR600F2 that for many would be a throwaway machine or maybe a parts bike. Its my jam though so don't knock it.

Brief historical perspective. The CBR600F2 replaced the Hurricane in 1991. It was made until 1994 with slight revisions along the way. 1995 ushered in another revision and it was renamed the F3 which was made until 1998. The completely all new CBR600F4 with aluminum frame came out in 1999.

This was THE 600 to have in the 90's. Honda sold bajillions. It was the first 600 with modern size wheels and decent suspenders. The engine was powerful with excellent all around characteristics. With any sort of 1/2 way decent maintenance it would run forever. Typical Honda fit/finish and overall quality that made the other brands look silly.

Ok so what do we have here? A 2-owner 92 F2 with 8803 miles. Mostly original with some period mods. Asleep for many years.

<<<Bodywork>>>


Missing the inner rear fender/chainguard or "hugger" which was a period mod. It will stay missing. Part # 14 and 3 in the diagram:






Period "fender eliminator" aluminum bracket that 86's the stock monster rear fender and oe rear siggies. Has aftermarket small siggies that are not horrible. I'm keeping this mod.



Has some kind of windscreen that very subtlety shows a purplish tint when you look at it just right. This is staying because 90's.



The mirrors were a sore spot back in the day. The "condoms" that covered the support stalks tended to come undone and look un-Hondaish. This bike has some aftermarket versions that are going away. I seem to remember the oe F3 mirrors or some other Honda variant bolted on and worked perfectly. Must research.

Every piece of bodywork on the bike is astoundingly mint with 2 exceptions. So mint that I suspected the bike had been down and repaired with new oe stuff at some point. The family could not remember that ever happening though so I went with it.

This is remarkable since this is from the era when Honda bodywork was impossibly fussy and complex. Every piece has tabs and locks and wacky attachment devices that are way too epic. These gizmos are always broken and this bike still had everything.

Exception #1 was the small removable "lid" on right side mid panel. One of the lid mounting holes had cracked at some point and had been repaired with epoxy. Almost an invisible repair but it bothered me. Part #3 in the diagram:









I tried to buy/find Honda part # 64304-MV9-630ZB LID SET, R. (TYPE11) but it was nla from Honda. Hmmm. What to do. I found the same part from a '91 that was unbroken however the decal portion had tiny scratches. The gloss black painted part was still perfect:

Used 1991 Honda CBR600 Right Side Cowl Vent Insert #64305MV9A0000 PAS202+ | eBay

Strangely enough, Honda still showed the proper decal or "stripe" for my 1992 model in my color scheme as available:

64312-MV9-630ZB STRIPE, R. (TYPE11). I found and bought the last remaining one on Planet Earth:

NOS Honda Motorcycle STRIPE R TYPE11 64312-MV9-630ZB

I took delivery of the used lid and carefully removed the old decal with a heat gun. I have the new decal which I will let a professional install later.



Exception #2 was the left side tail piece. It was cracked in the middle/bottom area almost surely from someone pulling on it to move the bike around or perhaps by tugging on the part to remove it from the bike.

The design back here was perhaps the worst of any bike bodywork design ever. One had to use a wrench to remove the seat for this bike. The wrench is in the toolkit of course which is buried underneath the left side tail cover. Getting the tail cover off without breaking it is challenging to say the least.

Cracked/repaired cover, part#8 in the diagram:





Hoping for a miracle I searched far/wide for Honda part 83712-MV9-830ZA CVR, L. SI (TYPE11). I located what must be the last remaining nos side panel for an F2 in this color scheme from a seller in Florida. It came in a big box:



To finish it off I replaced the small plastic locking gizmo with a new piece:



There were a few missing oe fasteners. I got new ones:




Every other piece of bodywork is literally perfect on this bike. Feeling pretty good about the cosmetics. Much more to follow.
Apr 13th 2017, 06:14 PM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Holy hell where did 4 months go. Heh.

Its done. When I got the bike it was possibly the nicest, most original US-spec 1992 purple/pink F2 in existence. I decided to make it the best I could since the deceased previous owner might appreciate it. Also I love just about any Honda from the 90's.

I went bonkers obsessing over every last detail. There were more than a few missing items and incorrect small/inconsequential details. The parts guys at Lake City were instrumental in helping me find nla discontinued parts still in stock at dealerships around the country. It was exhausting and enjoyable all at once.

Speedo cable routing brackets, clutch cable brackets, inserts for the speedo cluster mounting holes, etc, etc, etc... I can go on until I begin to question my own sanity.

In short... the bike is my idea of what a person would have built in the late 90's or thereabouts if they wanted the nicest F2 they could have. A couple mods are period incorrect but I let them slide.

1995-1998 F3 5" rear wheel. This is almost a bolt on, however it requires playing with the spacers from the different years as well as the cush drive. The end result is a factory fit. I had to have it painted NH196 Honda Ross White to match the front.

New wheel bearings and cush drive bearings.

I was going to install new head bearings but the stockers looked like new. Fresh grease and we were good to go.

New Pirelli Rosso 2's. The stock front size is a 120/60 so of course you go with a 70 profile instead. That worked fine however it looked slightly funny and barely rubbed the fender. A 65 series was the perfect compromise for looks and appearance.

New chain/sprocket kit. I didn't go 520 since I wanted the "chunky" look. Stock gearing.

New/old stock Two Brothers titanium full system. I hated the long muffler and 2 bros emblem so I had the pipe shortened and emblem deleted.

The pipe hanger is a stock aluminum rear footpeg bracket from a later F2/F3 that I had modded to eliminate the passenger peg.

I sourced a period correct Fox Twin Clicker racing shock. Had it rebuilt by Dave Alexander at Fluid. Feels like the 90's all over again! Routing and installing the reservoir was a challenge to make it perfect. Race bikes usually don't care about such things. This shock has adjustable ride height so you can crank it to the moon for wicked sharp turn-in.

The '94 front end/forks is way better than the 91-93. My bike is a '92. Had the '94 front end rebuilt/revalved/resprung by Fluid. Works very well. They are installed maybe an inch higher than stock in the triples for crispy handling.

Braided front lines. Left the oem rubber rear line. I fabbed up brackets front and rear so they route perfectly with no binding. I am not running the rear fender "hugger" or "wheel hider" which normally the rear brake line would attach to.

Left the aftermarket purple tinted windscreen that was already there. This may be my favorite part of the bike.

I absolutely hate the stock mirrors with their rubber booties or "condoms" that never stay attached and look terrible. I tore apart my memory banks and finally remembered that 2000 or 2001 VFR800 mirrors are a direct bolt on fit. Not inexpensive for oem units however they fit/look/work perfectly. The $30/pair copies on the bay/amazon are junk and should be killed with fire.

The rear brake fluid res was icky looking so I customized a Ducati/Brembo unit to fit.

It already had the period stainless "fender eliminator" from Comp Werkes. Complete with cute little cheapie rear siggies. I decided to try one of those Chinese integrated rear tail lights with turn signals built in. It took so long to get I cancelled my order and got my $$$ back. Two weeks later it showed up anyway. So I installed it and it works fine. Went with a different turn signal relay to have a normal blink rate. The cheapie rear siggies are in the pics but now gone.

Something was wrong with my brain causing me to think the main upper fairing bracket was bent. Convinced Lake City to do whatever it took to get one. Finally a new one in a very dusty plastic bag with "Vintage Honda" written on it showed up. Installed it and discovered nothing was wrong. Lol. At least this one has new looking paint.

Got rid of the inner handlebar weights and blocky looking bar end pieces. Ducati 916 oem plastic bar ends are my go-to mod here.

Replaced the valve cover gasket and 1/2 moon gizmos. Checked the valve clearances and they were perfect. It is after all a Honda.

Had the tank sent to a place in LA that epoxy coated the inside. It looks better than new. New oem petcock and all new oem fuel lines. New oem rubber carb manifold/insulators.

Upgraded the oem regulator/rectifier with a new unit from Rick's.

After obsessing over every last fastener and piece of bodywork, it was finally together. It already had a K&N and Factory Pro jet kit. The cool one with titanium needles and 5 clip positions.

It fired up instantly after over a decade asleep and ran what seemed to be perfectly. Test riding revealed an irritating stutter through the mid range. It ran terrific up top and I was convinced the stutter was a lean condition caused by incorrect needle clip position. Thus began the process of painstakingly trying increasingly richer needle positions with the clip location and tiny shims.

Something wasn't right so I tried going the other way. Dropping the needle or raising the clip from where I started at the beginning. AH-HAH! No more stutter after leaning out the mid range. However this made the bottom end fluffy unless I turned the mixture screws out 4 turns which is just ghetto and wrong.

The final jetting move was increasing the pilot jet from a 138 to a 140. 3 turns out on the mixture screws and finally we had perfection. Of course that day I had to go to 2 different shops to get the jets but hey ocd has a price.

Restoring a 25 year old Honda that they made literally bazillions of makes absolutely no sense. I cannot recommend this pattern of behavior to anyone. For some reason it makes me happy though. So there is that.





















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Apr 13th 2017, 08:36 PM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

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Amazing! And, I second the note about a book.
Apr 14th 2017, 04:26 AM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
Well played sir!
Apr 14th 2017, 07:23 AM   #15
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Beautiful work! Looks almost nothing like my old race bike. Although learning it came with a 120/60 front explains why the 120/70 race tire slowly sawed through my front fender.
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