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Jan 21st 2019, 10:26 AM   #91
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
I agree we are resistant to change. I just finished the book Habits and it explains what is involved in getting people to change. It is very possible, but it requires not only a desire, but a clear reason why and a path to achieving it.

This is thwarted by the status quo, which is actively struggling against change. And because by definition the SQ has the power of incumbency, money, connections, it is very difficult to dislodge. That is why our US politics lags public opinion polls so badly and why people studying our politics say that the middle class and poor have “near zero effect” on policy.

I just finished an article that said that if US consumers would just switch from meat to beans for protein, we could meet 75% of our global heating goals by 2020 (next year).

Change is both extremely close but realistically so far away.

Edited by Transported on Jan 21st 2019 at 04:58 PM
Jan 21st 2019, 10:34 AM   #92
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  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
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Originally Posted by Sentinel
you nailed it.

if HD is one thing, it is a BRAND.

It is not a motorcycle company.

the BRAND is uber specific, and is a bit like poor old Bob Denver - that motherfucker could NEVER, EVER be anyone but Gilligan, no matter how he tried.
I don't know, if Paul Reubens could still keep coming back after shooting his PR person's foot clean off, repeatedly, I think Gilligan could have in this generation.

I think, and I hope that HD can. Someone ought to get the HD execs and marketing men weekend passes for The One, see what those hipster kids (that need to get the hell off my lawn) are up to.
Jan 21st 2019, 03:31 PM   #93
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
I am ready for electric bikes! Having test ridden an Alta Supermoto and wheelied past people who didn't even know I was there! It like being an invisible hooligan. Unfortunately Alta is no more, partly due to Harley, but they showed me what could be. Instant, completely controllable torque in absolute silence, it was awesome!

Not sure about the new Harley with the motor longitudinal only to make noise from the bevel drive gears?! WTF? But that new Lightning could be the first reasonable electric bike?
Jan 22nd 2019, 08:24 PM   #94
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  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
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Not sure about the new Harley with the motor longitudinal only to make noise from the bevel drive gears?! WTF? But that new Lightning could be the first reasonable electric bike?
I like the bike but I thought it sounded a little Jetson's, I wonder if the bevel gear whine was dialed in to appeal to the V-8, straight cut timing gear "I (don't) have a supercharger" guy that you hear on cruise nights.
Jan 23rd 2019, 02:45 PM   #95
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
for a totally unbiased opinion (haha)...

Jan 23rd 2019, 03:47 PM   #96
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  Sep 2016
  Seabeck

  Africa Twin
I just don't get the faux gas tank. If you don't need a gas tank on the bike then for petes sake don't make a fake one and stick it on.
Jan 23rd 2019, 05:13 PM   #97
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I just don't get the faux gas tank. If you don't need a gas tank on the bike then for petes sake don't make a fake one and stick it on.
Bmw's 700 and 800 series had tanks under the seat for years..but still had faux tanks...on one model the area was used for storage...I'm thinking marketing studies have probably shown that a tankless bike looks funny and would be a hard sell...
Jan 23rd 2019, 05:28 PM   #98
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
It's not just Harley. GM is firing MANY people. They have seen the future, and they are FUCKED. Millennials are not gonna take out $75,000.00 car loans.
Jan 23rd 2019, 05:30 PM   #99
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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...I'm thinking marketing studies have probably shown that a tankless bike looks funny and would be a hard sell...
try riding any two-wheeler without being able to balance the bike with your legs somewhere.

On a bicycle it is the seat/pedal combo, and a lot of shoulder.

On your motorcycle it is knees/ass/feet along with the primary turning force of counter-steering.

without a tank or somewhere else to do some leverage with your knees/legs, I think it might feel squirrely.

edit: soon as i read this i realized some msf instructoid is gonna correct me somehow. standing by. i like school.
Jan 23rd 2019, 07:45 PM   #100
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Bmw's 700 and 800 series had tanks under the seat for years..but still had faux tanks...on one model the area was used for storage...I'm thinking marketing studies have probably shown that a tankless bike looks funny and would be a hard sell...
Even the BMWs that do have the fuel filler on top, there's usually not much more than a filler neck under the plastic, the rest of the space is taken up with electronics and ABS controllers and stuff, the main volume of the tank is lower down. This is probably true of more modern bikes than it isn't nowadays. Honda Gold Wings have had fake tanks from the original GL1000 onward; it was a little controversial then.
Jan 28th 2019, 04:34 PM   #101
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  Seabeck

  Africa Twin
I think I would have really enjoyed this when I was younger.

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Jan 28th 2019, 06:26 PM   #102
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  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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Originally Posted by Mudslinger
I think I would have really enjoyed this when I was younger.

MOTHERFUCK!!!! The Universe actually heard me and THIS happened.

YES, Harley, THAT is a whole lotta yes.

OH man. This is a good day.

If they build it.....
Jan 28th 2019, 08:01 PM   #103
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
I have a mighty need...
Jan 28th 2019, 09:32 PM   #104
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  Monsters
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Originally Posted by Transported
I donít think we will have to make them decide on being plant based. I think it is clear the market is going that way fast. The Chinese are already incentivizing their polpulation to cut meat 10% and that is just a start. Employers are beginning to act to get their people to switch from not reimbursing for meat consumption to dings on healthcare expenses. It will be like cigs soon.

At the same time, companies are coming up with meat replacements that are acceptable to meat eaters while having none of the health, animal cruelty or environmental destruction downsides.

Finally, meat will just become too expensive once carbon use becomes a commodity, which it must soon.

And right. Plant eating is only a very salient example. Look over that Drawdown list I linked to see all the many ways we can fix this.
The market is going what way? It took me a while to remember where I read this; you must live in some kind of a bubble, I don't see people around me eating less meat:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/micheli.../#12ee8d219b92

True, apparently the technology to produce meat in the lab is here but nobody is jumping on mass production.

[end of thread derail]
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Jan 29th 2019, 08:13 AM   #105
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Yep. Just me in my bubble.

The Lancet Commission coined a new term for the convergence of the effects of our animal product/processed food diet, malnutrition, obesity and global heating: syndemic.

"The report emphasizes that the issues are indeed linked. Climate change results in severe droughts, which can lead to a scarcity of food as well as higher prices for available fruits and vegetables. That pushes consumers toward processed foods, which are cheaper ó and can contribute to a lack of proper nutrition. And farming definitely has a carbon footprint."

...

"The report recommends a series of actions that the authors hope could act in concert to address the problems. Chief among them is a worldwide treaty to regulate Big Food like Big Tobacco, limiting the political influence of the food and beverage industry. It would be modeled on the World Health Organization's Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, the world's first public health treaty. The report also suggests a tax on red meat, which is associated with an increased risk of obesity and greenhouse gas emissions."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...e-3-big-crises

And using the opinion piece from an Anthony Bourdain-type food-industry spokeperson/advocate in an extreme right wing newspaper is probably not the most even-handed source on the subject of eating habits.
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