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Mar 12th 2019, 01:26 PM   #316
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Yeah! Let hear it for carbed bikes with mechanical dials...and wire wheels.
Mar 12th 2019, 01:51 PM   #317
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
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Yeah! Let hear it for carbed bikes with mechanical dials...and wire wheels.
And kick starters!!
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Mar 12th 2019, 02:30 PM   #318
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  Jan 2016
  space needle

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Originally Posted by liberpolly
You can take apart the battery block and replace the cells. Some crazy people are doing just that.

The thing with electric vehicles is not that they are monolithic, it's that they are so simple. Battery, motor; maybe chain or belt (not on Fuell strangely enough). Electric motors rarely, if ever, break. Batteries age gracefully, and they are very simple to replace, the compatibility check is trivial - voltage, amperage.

Brakes, forks, shocks, tires, and lights are the same as on a regular motorcycle, except brakes may require no maintenance ever if they introduce regenerative braking.

The biggest danger of the age rot is in the software of the controller, but the same can be said about ECU of modern motorcycles. So unless you are limiting yourself to carbed bikes with mechanical dials, this train has departed years ago.
Boring!

Age gracefully?! LMAO, Dead is Dead at the end of that road.

I'd rather have a rotting ecu than a draining battery that WILL eventually have to be replaced.
Mar 12th 2019, 05:55 PM   #319
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Boring!

Age gracefully?! LMAO, Dead is Dead at the end of that road.

I'd rather have a rotting ecu than a draining battery that WILL eventually have to be replaced.
Why? You can repair the battery, you cannot replace ECU that is out of produciton.
Mar 12th 2019, 05:55 PM   #320
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by 307T
Yeah! Let hear it for carbed bikes with mechanical dials...and wire wheels.
Yep, I will get one sooner or later, to keep forever!
Mar 13th 2019, 05:48 AM   #321
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  Jan 2016
  space needle

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Why? You can repair the battery, you cannot replace ECU that is out of produciton.
A battery cannot be 'repaired'. Once it's dead it's dead. Working ecu can be sourced from a junked bike

been reading up on tesla lifespan - 20yrs @ 90% which is impressive but I'm betting there'll be Year Tesla where they start dropping dead one after the other... Motorcycle battery packs are much smaller and likely won't last as long. All guessing, I'm no expert...
Mar 13th 2019, 02:32 PM   #322
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Rebuilt batteries from Nissan:

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-battery-packs
Mar 13th 2019, 02:49 PM   #323
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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A battery cannot be 'repaired'. Once it's dead it's dead.
WRONG! Those are NOT AT ALL similar to the acid-based motorcycle batteries we use with IC engines.

Lithium batteries are build of cells, it can always be unpacked and cells replaced.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...icle_batteries
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Mar 13th 2019, 04:05 PM   #324
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  Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
WRONG! Those are NOT AT ALL similar to the acid-based motorcycle batteries we use with IC engines.

Lithium batteries are build of cells, it can always be unpacked and cells replaced.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...icle_batteries
Thank you for the link, it's a good read with great diagrams

Lithium batts are what I'm talking about. I have one in my bike that I love, it's lasted over 4yrs with zero issues. But is eventually gonna drop dead and have to be replaced.

The simplicity that you talk about is exactly what I mean about the end of tinkering around. Already happening where younger folks have a hard time figuring 'technical' stuff out because they been living the 'simple' life.
Mar 13th 2019, 04:35 PM   #325
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Lithium batts are what I'm talking about. I have one in my bike that I love, it's lasted over 4yrs with zero issues. But is eventually gonna drop dead and have to be replaced.
You could take it apart and replaced bad cells. Not worth it usually for the price of new, but you could if you really want to.
Mar 14th 2019, 10:05 AM   #326
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  Sep 2016
  Seabeck

  Africa Twin
The biggest problem with batteries. They burst into a jet of flame when shorted.

https://electrek.co/2019/03/14/disas...ure-uncertain/
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Mar 14th 2019, 04:19 PM   #327
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  Jan 2016
  space needle

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You could take it apart and replaced bad cells. Not worth it usually for the price of new, but you could if you really want to.
NO.

This weekend I'll be working on my 30yr old bike that was in production for only 2yrs which parts are hard to find for. Gonna make it last another 30yrs.

oh I just saw the new movie 'Upgrade' last night. Whoa, forget about Skynet it's the widgets we got to worry about lol
Mar 15th 2019, 09:59 PM   #328
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
You can take apart the battery block and replace the cells. Some crazy people are doing just that.
Actually they're not that crazy...like used Prius guy here...$1500 for the car with a dead battery...$1199 for the complete pack rebuild kit...what is he at?...under $3K for a Hybrid car that is now effectively new...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwUEVx5G3U


https://www.electronautomotive.com/p...ry-rebuild-kit
Mar 15th 2019, 11:49 PM   #329
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Actually they're not that crazy...like used Prius guy here...$1500 for the car with a dead battery...$1199 for the complete pack rebuild kit...what is he at?...under $3K for a Hybrid car that is now effectively new...
Now that's insane. Even without a battery, it's a half-decent hatchback.
However, it looks like one can buy used one with functional battery for $3K-ish without all that hassle:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/searc...&sort=priceasc
Mar 17th 2019, 04:10 PM   #330
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  May 2016
  Happy Valley area (Clackamas)

  SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
Now that's insane. Even without a battery, it's a half-decent hatchback.
However, it looks like one can buy used one with functional battery for $3K-ish without all that hassle:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/searc...&sort=priceasc
Well...2 hours...and for the guy in the video $200 for the kit...so he was $1700 all-in...but...and it's a big but...only because he has YouTube followers...

Still...I'm with you...I think you could do roughly the same thing for a chunk less...
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