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Feb 8th 2019, 08:24 PM | #211 | |
Jan 2016 Kennewick KTM SAR Husqvarna Strada, Ural Patrol and a shit load of BN125 | Quote:
It sucks, shit glows that shouldn't, shit that should glow don't. Fish have 3 heads, and our dicks are limp and the women are frigid! We have no fun roads, no fun roads at all. Stay away, all of you west side people, stay the Hell away! It's for the children! Edited by Bald Guy on Feb 8th 2019 at 08:27 PM |
Feb 9th 2019, 11:05 AM | #212 |
Jan 2016 Portland 2006 FZ1, 1999 R1 |
This is quite a read. No easy answers, and the cost of not treating this like it is a crises as great as a world war will doom our civilization. Adapted from The Uninhabitable Earth, by David Wallace-Wells, to be published on February 19 by Tim Duggan Books. Book Excerpt: The Uninhabitable Earth by David Wallace-Wells |
Feb 9th 2019, 02:27 PM | #213 |
May 2016 Happy Valley area (Clackamas) SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12 |
From another Cycle Rider post comment I wrote on the Livewire: Bottom-line is my original recommendation was to do it like VW does when leasing Ducatis, remember the Duc Scrambler $99/mo. lease? Let's do the maths on the LiveWire...MSRP=$27,999-as it turns out. Let's say I offer a factory incentive kicker of $1500 for a 36 month lease origination. HDFS wants $2K down and a measly $150/mo. payment (unheard of right?--that's roughly a payment on Japanese middleweight bike--at BEST--miles less than any ICE version Harley Product) --well that leaves a residual value of $19K on a 3-year-old EV. The question is--IS a 3-year-old EV still worth 68% of MSRP? Well--with what we've seen so far with Tesla and such leads me to believe the answer is a very probable--YES. Remember, these bikes will come back to the dealer with very minimal miles. Harley ICE products are the few bikes that are utter garage queens--decade old motorcycles with under 10K on the clock are the rule rather than the exception. When you take the bike back you sell it at $19K (cost), but--here's what you do--you practically mandate the buyer purchase a 3-year battery warranty for ~$1K per year. A hundred underwriters will do it--why?--many many people will have 5 year old bikes still under 10-12K. Secondarily, you help keep the value of the bike high for the customer and at the same time you keep your dealer costs lower--in other words you're only selling crash parts...right?...when it comes to power/drive train...some 3rd party has to foot the bill. And they will crash them...so you'll make a mint in parts if enough units get sold. |
Feb 9th 2019, 02:43 PM | #214 | |
Jan 2016 Seattle Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo | Quote:
So Harley may, of course, bet on the high resale value of their e-bikes, but would it be a good bet? |
Feb 9th 2019, 02:53 PM | #215 | |
Jan 2016 Seattle Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo | Quote:
As a rule, I stop reading a book after the first major idiocy. Nevertheless, I stumbled upon second idiocy, where he conflates the "cost" of carbon tax - which has no cost until it's spent - with the actual cost of carbon capture, which is actually spent and sunk. |
Feb 9th 2019, 03:10 PM | #216 | |
May 2016 Happy Valley area (Clackamas) SV650S Silver - HD 1250 Hammer Sportster w/Screaming Eagle stuff - GSXR-750 K12 | Quote:
I don't know that HD still has the brand-cachet of a Tesla...I think maybe in the 90s they certainly did...but holy shit a Tesla is a house payment. If someone told be I could have an HD-branded EV in my garage @ or around $150-ish/mo...even I would have to give it a serious look...even here in the PNW where you've got 6-7 months of decent riding weather. In SoCal...where the commute is rarely more than 50-miles one-way...gas is over 3 bucks...and you can lane-split 365-days-a-year...virtually a no-brainer... |
Feb 9th 2019, 03:40 PM | #217 |
Jun 2016 Poor Tortured 2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon |
i have a 2012 Leaf with 68000 miles that is good for maybe 50 miles if I dont go on the freeway. on the freeway at 65, maybe 40 miles, maybe 35. resale on it is essentially buppkus. they are disposable cars. rather, they are good cars with disposable batteries. the drive train looks like new, or it did until the state and counties started salting it. now its rusty, just like yours. electrics are bullshit. at least, the way we do it now. they had electrics 100 years ago that were better than tesla is now. swear. |
Feb 13th 2019, 05:38 PM | #218 |
Jan 2016 Seattle Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo |
Feb 14th 2019, 12:28 AM | #219 |
Jan 2016 Portland 2006 FZ1, 1999 R1 |
Feb 14th 2019, 09:49 AM | #220 |
Jan 2016 Washington County H-D |
Jeez, this thread has been all over the map. It's nice to see it get back on topic. I agree with the NPR article above on a couple of points. First, the LiveWire is too expensive. I doubt that it costs that much to make and certainly a portion of the price is for the brand name. Good luck with that. The second thing is that the range seems awfully short. Electric motors lose range if they are pushed in speed and I suspect that Harley's range estimate is overstated unless the rider is just putting along. On the plus side, range is forecasted to be around 100 miles and many riders do just putt. Nothing I have seen about the weight but...Harley. There was a Zero Motorcycle supermoto at The One Moto Show. Looked nice. That bike is not on their website but the Zero FX is similar. It costs less than a third of Milwaukee's offering price. Range is about 50 miles and top speed at 85. Bike tips the scales under 300 pounds. Also at the show was a bike from a Swedish firm named Cake. This bike looked to be a trail model, not street legal in the configuration shown. The model name is the Kalk (Cake Kalk...nice alliteration) and shows a range of 50 miles and a speed of 50 MPH. Weight is about 150 pounds. 24" wheels? Good luck finding tires at your bike shop! Price is less than half of the Harley. So there are things to choose from if you wish. As for me, I will stick with my V-twin and rationalize my environmental sins by reminding my neighbors that I gave up two strokes and Bardhal pre-mix. |
Feb 14th 2019, 10:02 AM | #221 | |
Feb 2016 Seattle | Quote: I do think it's funny whenever I read about a place with "cheap energy", and then you google, what does electricity cost is Sweden, then compare that to the cost of energy in Washington, and realize that "cheap" power in Europe is 2x what we pay here. Oh sujets, arrętez de vous plaindre et retournez au travail. |
Feb 14th 2019, 10:08 AM | #222 |
Jan 2016 SeaTac |
Even some of the worst milage bikes still get what an 'economy' car does but with near or better than supercar performance, are more nimble in traffic, easier to park, not to mention you get to feel the wind and get the best view in the house! Even a Ninja 250 has '70's factory hot rod performance up to around freeway speeds with at least 5 times better milage. I really like my 'smaller' bikes but have to say the 2012 ZX14R we had was a BEAST! Could be ridden easy and smooth or smack the throttle and hold your breath. It still got in the high 30's if driven easy, would run 9 second ET's (Ricky Gadson ran a sub 9 with a stock bike) and do over 200 mph stock if flashed. 188 if not. It makes it hard to go electric as the cost is higher, the range is not great, and they are not all that 'clean' as the power has to come from somewhere and batteries disposed of or recycled and the end of life. It IS getting better, but when I can pick up a small used motorcycle that gets 50-70 MPG for $1500-$2500 that will do freeway speeds for 150+ miles without stopping, they have some stiff competition. |
Feb 14th 2019, 02:11 PM | #223 | |
Jan 2016 Seattle Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo | Quote:
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Feb 14th 2019, 02:15 PM | #224 |
Jan 2016 Seattle Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo |
Main competition: https://electrek.co/2019/02/13/zero-...e-strike-sr-f/ Yet to be seen in the wild... |
Feb 14th 2019, 03:16 PM | #225 | |
Jan 2016 Custer WA Aprilia Tuono 1100 | Quote:
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