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Apr 28th 2019, 12:34 PM   #16
 Mudslinger's Avatar
 
  Sep 2016
  Seabeck

  Africa Twin
And with an E-bike you can't do this.

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Apr 28th 2019, 02:03 PM   #17
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  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  gsxr600 gsxr750 gsxr1000 i like gsxrs
I always thought the loud pipes save lives was just a cop out for the Harley riders whos Bikes dont stop very well.. or turn very well.. or well you know
Apr 28th 2019, 03:29 PM   #18
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Dare I step into the lion's den on this one? If and when your number is up, it's up. Sometimes the stars and planets align and excellent, experienced riders die. It happens and will continue to happen. To argue who knows more or has more experience seems to me a bit counter-productive. If you ride, and I will go out on a limb and say that by "ride", I mean regularly. Say 5 to 10 thousand miles per year. So if one falls in to that category, they have had experiences that no one else has had. Sure, some are similar, but each incident is unique in its own way. It's easy to exaggerate one's experience level because we're basically all anonymous here. I'm not saying the two combatants are fibbin it up, I'm saying that not everyone has all the answers all the time.

But can we agree that if we all ride and experience traffic oddities on a regular basis, do we not all have something in common? That common thread is that we choose to ride. In good weather and bad, mentally there and not, in traffic and open country roads. It's a choice. So arguing amongst ourselves only hurts us. I am a firm believer in listening and learning. Use one's experiences to help yourself and others. No one is always right, just as no one is always wrong. It's all a matter of perspective. And survival. I want to be an old rider, and the only way to become an old rider is to survive riding, and all the distractions and hazards that accompany it. So I listen and not pass judgement. Your experiences differ from mine and vice versa. Your horror stories of close calls and near misses do not fall on deaf ears.

Cagers do not stick up for each other, on the contrary, the hate each other. Riders, on the other hand (seems to me, anyway), have a strange sort of camaraderie, and I for one, am thankful for it. I find myself riding solo 99% of the time, for various reasons. Sometimes just because it's convenient, sometimes because I think I'm a bit of a social misfit, but to see others squabble over noisy pipes is counter-productive. We gotta learn to stick together. Cagers hate us, are envious, have a sense of entitlement, and are poorly skilled at their specific means of transport. That's not our problem. Our problem is to avoid the idiocy and survive to ride another day. We're all fathers and sons, mothers and daughters. It's not worth it lose your life because of some prideful act. Inform and educate cagers whenever confronted by drivers who are uneducated about riders and the hazards they face. Someone you work with, a family member, a stranger in a bar..someone who you overhear berating 2 wheeled travelers (including bicyclists), it's not cool or civil to hate someone that you know nothing about just because they choose to get around differently than you. It's 2019 people, we need to be more accepting and less discriminating. Just my 2 cents....carry on.
Apr 29th 2019, 12:38 AM   #19
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by WarpShatner7
If you're relying on your bike's noise to keep you alive, sell your bike.
People often confuse "relying on" and "augmenting with". They are, inconeniently, two different things.
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Apr 29th 2019, 08:01 AM   #20
bcj
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  Jan 2016
  teh rock

  K1200RS SV650
This looks very interesting. <link>Pretty good owner review on BARF<link>

Apr 29th 2019, 08:44 AM   #21
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
Cars have become soundproof booths, with added din within from stereos, kids, dvd players in the back seat, etc. Add the inevitable device distractions and/or headphones . . . expecting a cager to hear anything from outside the vehicle is unrealistic.

The only people driving with their windows down are smokers and those with broken A/C. And those digging for gold;-)

Ride to be seen, not heard.

I ride in an intentionally erratic manner:

I change lanes often, for no reason at all.
I change speeds constantly.
I place my bike in unexpected spots within the lane.
I create motion within other driver's fields of view.

"Ride like you're invisible" appears to be misunderstood by some. It means ride with the expectation that other drivers don't see you. Which means:

Cover the brake in traffic.

Scan your mirrors constantly and get away from anyone following more closely than you're comfortable.

As you approach intersections, have a plan if someone enters your right-of-way.

If you can't see them, they can't see you. Don't allow other vehicles to screen your presence as you enter intersections.

If you can't see their eyes in their mirrors as you approach from behind, they can't see you. Angle your approach path/pass to maintain mirror eye-contact as long as possible.

3's a crowd. Don't make a bad situation worse by being close to a tailgating pair of vehicles. The trailing vehicle is highly likely to make an impatient, sudden or aggressive move.

Work vehicles are, by definition, distracted drivers, they're often trying to follow maps, are talking to their boss or customer on the phone. With experience, you see these vehicles from a mile away. Keep that distance.

Every open bed truck is an unsecured load until proven otherwise; get out from behind them, even if you have a few cars between as a buffer.

A loud bike changes none of this. A driver's ability to hear anything is limited to about one-car-length distance from them. A driver can see at least ten times that far.

Edited by FireDave on Apr 29th 2019 at 02:22 PM
Apr 29th 2019, 09:19 AM   #22
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  Apr 2019
  Swisshome

  Nunya
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
Cars have become soundproof booths, with added din within from stereos, kids, dvd players in the back seat, etc. Add the inevitable device distractions and/or headphones . . . expecting a cager to hear anything from outside the vehicle is unrealistic.

The only people driving with their windows down are smokers and those with broken A/C.

Ride to be seen, not heard.

I ride in an intentionally erratic manner:

I change lanes often, for no reason at all.
I change speeds constantly.
I place my bike in unexpected spots within the lane.
I create motion within other driver's fields of view.

"Ride like you're invisible" appears to be misunderstood by some. It means ride with the expectation that other drivers don't see you. Which means:

Cover the brake in traffic.

Scan your mirrors constantly and get away from anyone following more closely than you're comfortable.

As you approach intersections, have a plan if someone enters your right-of-way.

If you can't see them, they can't see you. Don't allow other vehicles to screen your presence as you enter intersections.

If you can't see their eyes in their mirrors as you approach from behind, they can't see you. Angle your approach path/pass to maintain mirror eye-contact as long as possible.

3's a crowd. Don't make a bad situation worse by being close to a tailgating pair of vehicles. The trailing vehicle is highly likely to make an impatient, sudden or aggressive move.

Work vehicles are, by definition, distracted drivers, they're often trying to follow maps, are talking to their boss or customer on the phone. With experience, you see these vehicles from a mile away. Keep that distance.

Every open bed truck is an unsecured load until proven otherwise; get out from behind them, even if you have a few cars between as a buffer.

A loud bike changes none of this. A driver's ability to hear anything is limited to about one-car-length distance from them. A driver can see at least ten times that far.
Wow dude. Just shut the fuck up already.
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Apr 29th 2019, 10:10 AM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  NW Oregon

  R1200ST, CB350
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
The only people driving with their windows down are smokers and those with broken A/C.
And nose-pickers. You don't expect them to flick their boogers inside their car, do you?

Quote:
I place my bike in unexpected spots within the lane.
I create motion within other driver's fields of view.
I do these two as well. I don't do the gratuitous lane-changing so much but in traffic areas and places with side entrances and intersections, I don't stay in the same part of the lane for very long, and I continually vary my distance from the car in front of me by a bike length or two so that I get noticed in traffic and the car behind me stays on his toes.

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"Ride like you're invisible" appears to be misunderstood by some.
I first heard it from an MSF instructor, who wrote it on the board, and referred back to it several times during the sit-down sections over the two days of the class. I hear a lot of bikers say it, or "ride to be seen" which is pretty much the same idea. It's standard biker wisdom and I've never heard anyone challenge it before, or imagined I would.
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Apr 29th 2019, 10:27 AM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  600RR
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayFree
Wow dude. Just shut the fuck up already.
look who's making friends.

In my opinion (which means nothing), I prefer the sound of a bike, I'm not against E-Bikes just prefer the sound. There's a guy that rides one a couple buildings down and every once in a while I'll see him ride by out of the corner of my eye, I've named him the Ninja...
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Apr 29th 2019, 11:11 AM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Bremerton

  07 XB12 Buell Lightning
Time for someone to take a break
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Apr 29th 2019, 01:11 PM   #26
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayFree
Wow dude. Just shut the fuck up already.
Lighten up, Francis! He was just giving what I consider to be pretty good advice.
Apr 29th 2019, 01:16 PM   #27
mjn
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  Jan 2016
  Kennewick, wa

  '05 Busa, '81 Seca 550, '78 Hawk, '69 Z50A etc..
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayFree
Wow dude. Just shut the fuck up already.
What an interesting retort.

FireDave's post is spot on.

May I suggest taking your own advice?
Apr 29th 2019, 03:37 PM   #28
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayFree
Wow dude. Just shut the fuck up already.
You just don't like it when people point out truth to you.
Apr 29th 2019, 05:18 PM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel
i've been driving an electric car since 2012.

never _really_ had a problem with it being too quiet.

i am really considering an electric bicycle. maybe one of those larger ones that looks like a big mountain bike/small dirt bike.

have to keep it small enough to get away with walking it on the ferry though and riding it up the elevator at work to plug in at my desk.

anyone got one of those?
How about folding it up?
Apr 29th 2019, 05:22 PM   #30
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
Quote:
Originally Posted by bcj
This looks very interesting. <link>Pretty good owner review on BARF<link>

I find myself really balking at the idea of registration and insurance.

I know it's an in-between vehicle, but The Man already gets enough of a piece of us.

Yet I am dead certain it is going to be mandatory any second now to have both, everywhere.

Here's a fun thought: OK, so I can foresee any "powered" vehicle requiring registration. Here's a hypothetical: dude is a veteran, maybe he got injured, and his prosthetic legs are cutting edge, robotic limbs with electric motors and he is way stronger than any normal dude. It's not THAT far out there. OK, so this dude is now riding a regular bicycle, on the street. Is it "powered"?
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