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Dec 19th 2017, 05:38 PM   #46
 Chrishil54's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Kirkland

  2009 V-Star 1100 Custom
It's sad that we have to have police review boards in the first place.
Apr 17th 2018, 06:41 AM   #47
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  Jan 2016
  Custer WA

  Aprilia Tuono 1100
The conclusion...



https://www.yahoo.com/news/motorcycl...021621620.html
Apr 17th 2018, 06:48 AM   #48
 
  Jan 2016
  Lynnwood WA

  2007 Yamaha FZ6, 2008 Aprilia Tuono & 2009 Yamaha WR250R
What I found disappointing was the sheriff stated she felt the detective was justified in pulling his weapon, objecting rather to the way he displayed it. The rider was pulled over for reckless driving, yet at the end of the confrontation, wasn't even given a ticket, just a warning. If it was deemed minor enough to not write a ticket, how the hell is it justifiable to draw his gun?
Apr 17th 2018, 07:39 AM   #49
 
  Jun 2016
  Portland area

Just another corrupt enforcement agency. Very common. Life is not fair it is a game.

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Apr 17th 2018, 07:43 AM   #50
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
So it took them 8 months to figure this out?
Apr 17th 2018, 08:29 AM   #51
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  Feb 2016
  Seattle

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So it took them 8 months to figure this out?
They wanted to wait until the public had largely forgotten about the incident and then sweep it under the rug. Good job building public trust. That detective should have been fired and criminally charged.
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Apr 17th 2018, 01:15 PM   #52
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '08 BMW K12GT, '05 BMW R12ST
EVERYBODY on here should write to KCSO this email:

To Sheriff Mitzi Johanknecht,

I ride a motorcycle in King County and I'm distressed to learn that you have not fired Sgt. Richard Rowe.

He is obviously a hothead and out-of-control reactionary. Going forward, if I am pulled over by him for a traffic stop, I will inform him that he is a danger to me and that I will leave the scene and ride/drive to the nearest large, occupied parking lot, and will summon WSP to the scene.

If he brandishes a weapon, I will leave the scene with extreme haste, to avoid a GSW. I will hold KCSO responsible for any damages that result in my fleeing his illegal brandishing/threats of bodily harm.

I will not comply with any directives by Sgt Rowe. He is obviously not to be entrusted with the public's goodwill and safety. I ask that you ensure he is permanently off the street.

Just to be clear: He pointed his firearm at a person suspected of only a traffic violation. He committed assault by threatening violence to a person who had shown NO violent criminal behavior. In what world is this tolerated? He should be fired, charged with the crimes he committed, sentenced and jailed to the maximum extent possible. Assault, brandishing a firearm, false imprisonment, lying, failure to file a use-of-force report as required.

Please forward this email to Sgt Rowe so that he knows the public will not tolerate his presence, and that a motorist reaching for their phone is not to be shot.


Link to the KCSO contact page: Send us an email - King County

Edited by FireDave on Apr 17th 2018 at 01:28 PM
Apr 17th 2018, 02:03 PM   #53
 
  Mar 2018
  Gig Harbor

  2008 BMW R1200GS Adventure
I was in Louisiana during the whole Sterling debacle. There were riots when he was shot while resisting arrest for brandishing his gun at a homeless guy (and he was a felon with a gun).

As bad as that was, and iirc, those officers didn't approach the man with their guns drawn.

The video above is absolutely unacceptable. No, riders shouldn't ride around like asshats, but he was stopped at a light and not presenting any danger to anyone. There was ZERO reason for the officer to approach him with his gun drawn.

And (imo) the only reason the rider didn't get a ticket was because the officer knew he was in the wrong and he was hoping that nothing would come of this if he let the rider go. Why else would you feel justified in drawing your weapon but not in writing a ticket?

I appreciate his service to the community, but he absolutely should have lost his job for this.
Apr 17th 2018, 03:20 PM   #54
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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Originally Posted by 2nd Childhood
What I found disappointing was the sheriff stated she felt the detective was justified in pulling his weapon, objecting rather to the way he displayed it. The rider was pulled over for reckless driving, yet at the end of the confrontation, wasn't even given a ticket, just a warning. If it was deemed minor enough to not write a ticket, how the hell is it justifiable to draw his gun?
Today i was sitting at an outdooor table at Corinna'sBakery on 6th in tacoma.

I watched a hospital seciruty guard drive by, over and over, looking at everyone as if he were an actual cop.

I thought about that whole "Serve and Protect" thing on the doors of police cars.

What is the legal meaning of those words? I wondered.

I heard the story of the Great Starbucks Trespassing and how the cops said they were responding to a "request for service."

Ah - THAT is what it means to "serve" - it is like a plumber, performing a service, or perhaps a priest.

And I am pretty sure the thing being "protected" is The State, and not The People because that is manifestly what they do.

It's not the men. It's the system design.

So, yeah, what you said.
Apr 17th 2018, 04:11 PM   #55
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  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
5 days is clearly a travesty for the use of unjustified lethal force, no argument there, but its probably wise to remember when he files his law suit that a 500 pound vehicle going X miles per hour over the speed limit in heavy traffic could also do bodily harm or even be lethal.

It would be interesting to know their back stories. I would speculate the cop gets respect from the gun that he doesn't get elsewhere, wife, kids, etc, but surely gets him crazy respect from his cop buddies.

And possibly the rider has never been on top of/underneath a car, or had a joint turned 180 out by a bumper, and hasn't learned to respect his machine, but gets plenty from his squid buddies for riding it.
Sadly whatever the case may be this situation helps spoil the reputation of good cops and responsible riders.
Apr 17th 2018, 06:48 PM   #56
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
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Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
... a 500 pound vehicle going X miles per hour over the speed limit in heavy traffic could also do bodily harm or even be lethal.....
The one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Fact -there was no justification, even the bullshit "cop get out of jail free card" of "afraid for his life" defense won't work here.

The thing that will work is the big Fuck You wall that our government "servants" enjoy these days (as long as they down-fuck to the people and don't ever up-fuck to the money/bosses).
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Apr 17th 2018, 07:40 PM   #57
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '08 BMW K12GT, '05 BMW R12ST
Exhibit A is the cop's attempt to hide the weapon.
Exhibit B is his clear display of anger.
C: Failure to ID himself.
D: Threatened to knock the guy off his bike.

Right now the question should be: If a 'good guy with a gun' had defended the defenseless rider, and shot that cop, a cop who was clearly attempting to hide his weapon, not obviously a cop, pointing it at someone who posed no obvious threat . . . would we be talking about the shooter with acclaim?
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Apr 18th 2018, 08:17 AM   #58
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  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
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The one thing has nothing to do with the other.
In relation to how the cop handled this, no, a non LEO would be arrested for brandishing.

But if this goes further than a slap on the wrist it might be good to remember we are riding in the midst of non-riding judges, lawyers, insurance agents, potential jury members, etc. IMHO I don't think attitudes and awareness toward motorcyclist's are improving, and I can't help but wonder why.

Take the gun and bad attitude from the equation and ask yourself if any of those other drivers were glad he got pulled over.
Apr 18th 2018, 08:45 AM   #59
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  Jan 2016
  NW

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
Take the gun and bad attitude from the equation and...
WHAT?!?
The gun and the bad attitude (along with violation of policies) is the story. Not, whether the rider did anything wrong..

If this cop can't even drive to work without losing his temper, how can he be trusted/expected to do his job as a detective properly?
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Apr 18th 2018, 09:13 AM   #60
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  Apr 2018
  N Idaho

  Yamaha 650
I could not possibly agree more that the corrupt cop is real story is here, but it shouldn't be the end of the story.

There is a reason why the phrase "tried in the court of public opinion" is so often used these days. I think the reason LE waited 8 months to make a determination had something to do with what public sentiment would be if they did it shortly after the fact.

My question is what are we doing as riders to affect public sentiment, good or bad, because clearly his rights were massively violated and the law failed him/us.
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