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Mar 11th 2016, 04:22 PM   #1
 Mikeames's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Vancouver WA

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
Crash avoiding cars...will that work with motorcycles?

I've been seeing all these commercials lately for cars that automatically avoid crashing into other cars in front of them. I presume this is due to some sort of sensor array that see's that the car is getting too close to the car in front of it and applies the brakes...or something along those lines.
In most of the commercials I've seen it's always another car, or a picture or other representation of another car in front of the car that avoids rear-ending it.
Just makes me wonder if any of this technology is designed to work with a vehicle as small as a motorcycle (as the vehicle in front)?
Now that people will have yet another reason not to pay attention while they are driving their cage...since it'll automatically stop if they get too close to something....if that something is a motorcycle will all that still work?
Anyone have any inside knowledge of how these systems are designed to work...and if they are likely to work with a motorcycle as the target?
Mar 11th 2016, 05:54 PM   #2
 
  Jan 2016
  Beaverton

  '13 636, '14 N1k, DR650
I have done a little work with automated systems in cars (parking assist, lane detection, etc).

Basically yes. Each manf. is a bit different in how they implement their tech - but most all of them are able to tell when something directly in front of them stops (or is stopped) quickly.

They still work best for things directly in front of them though. The systems have a hard time getting it right when making a turn (it's hard to guess where you're going, and where the other vehicle will be).
Mar 11th 2016, 07:37 PM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

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My car is a 2010 model and it's blind spot detection warning does pick up motorcycles.
Mar 11th 2016, 10:54 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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Originally Posted by 307T
My car is a 2010 model and it's blind spot detection warning does pick up motorcycles.
I see that little light in peoples mirror all the time. I presume if it can detect me, then one can assume that it'll prevent the driver from turning or whatever it does.
Mar 11th 2016, 11:35 PM   #5
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

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Presume too much you do Padawan. Mirrors have been available for years but not all drivers use them. Best to assume that those around you on the road are clueless.
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Mar 12th 2016, 12:55 AM   #6
 
  Jan 2016
  Beaverton

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Originally Posted by Pigs
I see that little light in peoples mirror all the time. I presume if it can detect me, then one can assume that it'll prevent the driver from turning or whatever it does.


There's a difference between "I see that you are occupying that space" - and - "I see where you are going, and where I am going, and how to handle this specific situation."

I'll give you a hint at which ones computers are good at, and which ones they aren't.
Mar 12th 2016, 05:47 AM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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I was trying to say that I'm assuming that the sensors detect me, not that I rely on them for the driver to see me. Big difference
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Mar 12th 2016, 08:32 AM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  NW

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and if they are likely to work with a motorcycle as the target?
I would say Yes, the system can detect motorcycles. (although the truth may vary from one manufacturer to another.)
Autonomous cars are being designed to detect pedestrians and gates, a motorcycle is much bigger than that.



Mar 12th 2016, 08:52 AM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Tacoma

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I can say a tesla can see and avoid a motorcycle no problem, had a friend test his new one with the autopilot while he followed me on my bike. It accelerates and breaks when I did perfectly.


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Mar 12th 2016, 09:21 AM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
I thought you were asking about whether these auto-braking systems could be installed on a motorcycle? It would be one thing to be strapped into a seat when the vehicle suddenly brakes hard, but quite another if simply perched on a seat and not expecting the impending stoppie!?!?
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Mar 12th 2016, 02:39 PM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Vancouver WA

  2012 Yamaha FJR1300
PeteN95, No, I was asking about the ability of the systems cars use to see motorcycles.

Geek, That's reassuring!!

Scribbles, Thanks for the videos. The first one was really an eye-opener. A lot of the stuff was done at pretty low speeds, but the concepts appear to work pretty well...at least with cars.

All, Thank's for all the comments and experiences. Sounds like the answer is mostly yes...the automatic cars will likely be able to see (and hopefully not hit) motorcycles.
Still, I doubt I will be relaxing my defensive driving (riding) instincts and practices in the near future.
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