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Dec 7th 2017, 08:36 AM   #1
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
Concours 14 Steve's ECU Reflash

Just did some test riding on my Connie with the new ECU mapping by Steve in Florida.

If you have a C14 you want to get this done.

Almost a 10% fuel economy improvement _and_ a noticeable power and smoothness improvement, especially in the low and mid rpm range.

Definitely worth it.



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Dec 7th 2017, 10:13 AM   #2
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  Jan 2016
  Tri-Cities, dry side of Washington

  Kawasaki C-14
Nice; been thinking of doing that.
Dec 9th 2017, 08:44 AM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
Ditto that, I received mine on Tuesday and rode to work Wednesday day 20 degree. Steve the Flasher swears the cold air/engine and my 102 octane ethanol free gas are degrading the results, but even with them the bike is so much smoother and revs faster without the engine braking effect that makes them feel sloppy. No decel popping from slipon that never really bothered me but was noticeable. can't wait for decent weather to really stretch her legs out...or get back on the ZX-10.
Dec 11th 2017, 12:54 PM   #4
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  Jan 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZXtasy
Ditto that, I received mine on Tuesday and rode to work Wednesday day 20 degree. Steve the Flasher swears the cold air/engine and my 102 octane ethanol free gas are degrading the results, but even with them the bike is so much smoother and revs faster without the engine braking effect that makes them feel sloppy. No decel popping from slipon that never really bothered me but was noticeable. can't wait for decent weather to really stretch her legs out...or get back on the ZX-10.
if the tune in the flash wasn't developed for that octane of ethanol free fuel, then it's off and will never be very good, you need it fine tuned on a dyno for that. there's a big difference in fueling for regular fuel and ethanol free fuel.

side note: steve's full of shit, engines love cold air more than i love cake. wanna get some high dyno numbers? go in the dead of winter.

why yall didn't go to 2wheeldynoworks is beyond me.
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Dec 12th 2017, 11:55 AM   #5
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
while colder air is more dense (O2/cm^3) if it is cold enough that the engine doesn't get to full temp - performance suffers. Diesel trucks with cardboard radiator covers, for example.

Also, humidity. Vapor in the air reduces O2 concentration and inhibits combustion.

So, you know. Maybe.
Dec 12th 2017, 12:03 PM   #6
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  Nov 2017
  Felida

  2000 zx12R and 09 Concours
I've heard a rumor that not only do you get better fuel economy, but you can use 87 octane instead if the manufacturers recomended 92. Fake news, or nah??
Dec 12th 2017, 01:39 PM   #7
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quickwilly
I've heard a rumor that not only do you get better fuel economy, but you can use 87 octane instead if the manufacturers recomended 92. Fake news, or nah??
Steve never said anything about lower octane fuel. The "Eco" mode is still enable-able, and that mode still requires 92 so....

Me, I use 92. Negligible cost delta and I don't want to get into any weird knock-reduction modes or anything.
Dec 12th 2017, 04:50 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

I have run 87 octane many, many times in the boondocks where 89 or 91 are not available. Never had any issues. I use 89 all the time.
Dec 12th 2017, 05:06 PM   #9
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  Apr 2016
  Kitsap

  Yamaha Venture Victory Octane
Used 89 in my 06 ZX14 for 7 years without any problem. Running Tsugiki Full race pipes, power Commander, no flies and K&N with a local dyno tune.
Dec 12th 2017, 06:45 PM   #10
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
BTW: I was thinking about the whole gas thing and I thought I'd start up my bike and let it warm all the way up, just to redistribute some fuel and oil (and NOT for the joy of that certain howl). The thing is, do I need to take it off the battery tender before I start it?



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Edited by Sentinel on Dec 12th 2017 at 06:52 PM
Dec 13th 2017, 05:03 AM   #11
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

my tenders instruction says to unplug the BT before starting, By starting it to warm up and not ride it is a mistake. If its going to sit, let it sit.
Dec 13th 2017, 09:51 PM   #12
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  Apr 2016
  Kitsap

  Yamaha Venture Victory Octane
Quote:
Originally Posted by GPD323
By starting it to warm up and not ride it is a mistake. If its going to sit, let it sit.
Explain please, as I run my bikes up to temp every week or so. Not worried about the F.I. bike but want to run fresh gas thru the carbs on the other two. As well as to heat the oil and parts against condensation and corrosion.
Dec 14th 2017, 07:54 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

Because unless you heat it up to operating temp and keep it there for 10-20 minutes or more you are not evaporating the water moisture in the oil and engine that it absorbs when its cooling down. So what you could end up getting is a milky creamy colored oil in the crankcase.

Same is if you only ride short distances and shut the bike off before it reaches operating temp, short idling and short hops won't evap the water in the oil.

do a google search for "motorcycle oil looks creamy"
Dec 14th 2017, 01:43 PM   #14
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
Quote:
Originally Posted by GPD323
...a google search for "motorcycle oil looks creamy"
that's water vapor from the air.

is it not?

Edited by Sentinel on Dec 14th 2017 at 05:10 PM
Dec 14th 2017, 02:36 PM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Spanaway

its water moisture in the oil, I know one of the tags says what you mention.

My C14 oil was a milky white in the sight glass when I took it out to wash it. The only way to evap the moisture was riding it.

My friends DR650 he rides to work which is less than 5 miles away exhibits the same.

I am not going back and forth, you either believe or not. End.
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