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Sep 16th 2019, 07:08 AM   #16
 Parilla125's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

"This vid is NOT about safety"
It is in the title of the video.

"Would love to hear your opinions"
Or not.

I watched the entire video.
If you put something out there for the public to see you are inviting critique and comments. Not to mention you asked for them. Don't get butt hurt when the comments are not what you were looking for.
Some of the points in your vid are valid, and I normally ride on the left side, but when you blow stop signs (not your turn to go) and ride in an unsafe manner that seems to be inviting a crash, it is a little difficult to take it as a serious effort. Particularly with the attitude and constant swearing.
You can blow any comments off and go on, or consider what some of your fellow riders are saying. No skin off my nose.
If you got in a wreck, even with your "Be safer" in the title, I am pretty sure insurance investigators would have a field day with the riding in your video.
Edit it some, clean up the language a bit, ride a little safer, then put the video out. I like that you are making the effort. Thank you!
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Sep 16th 2019, 10:01 AM   #17
 Oregon Motorcycle's Avatar
 
  Mar 2019
  oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parilla125
"This vid is NOT about safety"
It is in the title of the video.

"Would love to hear your opinions"
Or not.

I watched the entire video.
If you put something out there for the public to see you are inviting critique and comments. Not to mention you asked for them. Don't get butt hurt when the comments are not what you were looking for.
Some of the points in your vid are valid, and I normally ride on the left side, but when you blow stop signs (not your turn to go) and ride in an unsafe manner that seems to be inviting a crash, it is a little difficult to take it as a serious effort. Particularly with the attitude and constant swearing.
You can blow any comments off and go on, or consider what some of your fellow riders are saying. No skin off my nose.
If you got in a wreck, even with your "Be safer" in the title, I am pretty sure insurance investigators would have a field day with the riding in your video.
Edit it some, clean up the language a bit, ride a little safer, then put the video out. I like that you are making the effort. Thank you!
I already have new ideas based on opinions from this site alone. Iím sorry if I offend you with my language. Thatís one thing Iím going to change. I never cuss on my other channel and wanted this one to be a lil more ďfreeĒ. I was wrong in that area.

May have broken a few rules in this vid, but to my defense, Iíve been traveling this route for over six years now and know it very well. The stop sign there in WL is a freebie if a car is next to you making a left. Again sorry if I offended you by rolling through a stop. Iím sure most of you put your foot down at every stop, I donít.

Insurance is based on the accident, not priors. Iíve gone into great detailed conversations with a close family member who has a masters along with a criminal justice degree who also happens to be a top dog for a major insurance company. She handles insurance fraud for the most part. We talked about my doings and what I post and other things. Iím not worried about my insurance or someone suing me for not riding by the law. But hell maybe I should be, I donít know it all

Yes ďbe saferĒ is in the title. Be safer as in being more visible, not running stops signs lol. Trust me, Iíll be a perfect rider in my next ďsafety ď vid. Geez. I thought some of you could look over what I was doing and listen to what I was saying. I was wrong there too.

Seriously though, thanks for the constructive input.
Sep 16th 2019, 05:35 PM   #18
 Dash Riprock's Avatar
 
  Apr 2018
  Tri-cities

  Yamaha 650
I watched the video in its entirety and feel an apology is due;

Bob Seger is a talented musician with a storied career that lasted decades and I realize some of you may enjoy his music.

Whew, that feels better.

Seriously if I my reply came off as unfairly critical it isn't because of the riding tips you presented. You make some excellent points and I agree that there could be some very valuable insights shared between those of us from an area where our riding season was called July and people who have ridden pretty much full time. And I agree with some of the people on here, clean up the language, make it a little more YouTube friendly and you could probably pick up a few bucks.

My concern is for a future generation of new riders and wondering how they are going to find a path to riding. If its a kid whose Mom I just flipped off or rev bombed for getting a little too close then I think maybe I slimmed his chances.

If its crossing the double yellow line in front of an oncoming car whose driver is trying to talk his wife into being okay with him getting a bike, probably not helping.

I completely agree with you about the benefits of lane splitting, but its no more legal here than cell phone use behind the wheel, and a lot of people don't understand our justifications any more than we understand theirs, (Admittedly theirs are stupid). I just don't think it helps our position to just do it anyway. To me it comes across as entitled.

And if any of you are asking "But why would you care?, I think the least of the motorcycles I have ridden have been are so much better than any drug, therapist, anti depressant, video game, etc. Not to go all "I'd like to buy the world a Coke", but I think think the world would be a far better place if vacant lots were full of kids waiting for a turn on a Rupp solid frame again. Man I would be an even bigger jackass if I hadn't had that opportunity.

I just think it would help if we presented ourselves a little more civilly. That's my opinion, I appreciate the request and the opportunity to share it.
Sep 16th 2019, 05:58 PM   #19
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

Thank you. Apology accepted, and I appreciate your feedback.

I feel we should continue to involve kids as much as possible to pass on the pleasures of riding.
Sep 16th 2019, 07:22 PM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

“I’m sorry if I offend you with my language. That’s one thing I’m going to change. I never cuss on my other channel and wanted this one to be a lil more “free”. I was wrong in that area.”

You did not offend me. Just my opinion that it adds little to the vid.

“May have broken a few rules in this vid, but to my defense, I’ve been traveling this route for over six years now and know it very well. The stop sign there in WL is a freebie if a car is next to you making a left. Again sorry if I offended you by rolling through a stop. I’m sure most of you put your foot down at every stop, I don’t.”

Complacency and familiarity Are a couple things that will kill you because you ‘know the road’ and maybe don’t ride or drive it as careful as you would a ‘new’ road. Or you just don’t care. Whatever.

The stop looked like a three or four way stop to me. There was a car stopped at the intersection on your left waiting for his turn. You followed the car in front of you through the stop sign without stopping, but you did slow down. I know I would have been irritated if you had done that to me.

The bottom line is don’t be an arrogant self entitled jerk rider, put out a video about ‘safety’ with a bunch of un necessary cursing in it, then be surprised you catch some flack about the video.

I have a friend that paid to scrub the internet of his videos after a major accident. If someone is coming after you, and not just law enforcement, you may end up doing the same.
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Sep 18th 2019, 09:45 AM   #21
 307T's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle

Insurance is based on the accident, not priors. Iíve gone into great detailed conversations with a close family member who has a masters along with a criminal justice degree who also happens to be a top dog for a major insurance company. She handles insurance fraud for the most part. We talked about my doings and what I post and other things. Iím not worried about my insurance or someone suing me for not riding by the law. But hell maybe I should be, I donít know it all
If you are involved in an accident where either you or the other party (or both) are injured and independent of subsequent legal issues, those two opposing insurance companies are going to do everything that they can to minimize their payouts. They are in business to make money, not spend it. Ask your "close relative." Should any legal action to reduce payments to you come as a result of competing lawsuits, you can bet that your videos and your commentary from on-line forums like this one will make it into arbitration and/or trial. It would be a reasonable assumption that your clearly demonstrated violations, not to mention your running commentary, would work against you and reduce any award.

Now if we're talking about property damage (your bike, another vehicle, or something else), that is probably something that can be a financially uncomfortable but not catastrophic. If there is serious or critical injury involved, that is another matter altogether. Costs for treatment and potential long term care are monumental.

Independent of your position on riding safety and current laws, posting this stuff on websites is going to come back to bite you. Hard.
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Sep 18th 2019, 10:12 AM   #22
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by 307T
If you are involved in an accident where either you or the other party (or both) are injured and independent of subsequent legal issues, those two opposing insurance companies are going to do everything that they can to minimize their payouts. They are in business to make money, not spend it. Ask your "close relative." Should any legal action to reduce payments to you come as a result of competing lawsuits, you can bet that your videos and your commentary from on-line forums like this one will make it into arbitration and/or trial. It would be a reasonable assumption that your clearly demonstrated violations, not to mention your running commentary, would work against you and reduce any award.

Now if we're talking about property damage (your bike, another vehicle, or something else), that is probably something that can be a financially uncomfortable but not catastrophic. If there is serious or critical injury involved, that is another matter altogether. Costs for treatment and potential long term care are monumental.

Independent of your position on riding safety and current laws, posting this stuff on websites is going to come back to bite you. Hard.
Are you a lawyer?
Sep 18th 2019, 10:23 AM   #23
 307T's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
No, I am not a lawyer. Just friendly advice.
Sep 18th 2019, 10:53 AM   #24
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  Mar 2019
  oregon

Quote:
Originally Posted by 307T
No, I am not a lawyer. Just friendly advice.
Just curious. Curious as to we here this info was obtained.

Because of your post, I got on the horn again. Weíll just call her my sister

Anyway the accident claim is based on what happens during the accident. Fault is based on a point system (percentage). The insurance companies will decide what percentage of fault your at and this produces the outcome. It is not admissible to bring past social media events into an accident investigation when deciding whoís at fault.

Now she did tell me use SM all the time. They love it. But itís to watch people after the accident.

So with all due respect, I have to believe my sister over someone Iíve yet to meet (I think). Do you have any literature to back up what your saying? Iím not trying to call you out, Iím just super curious. Could it very from state to state?
Sep 18th 2019, 02:54 PM   #25
 307T's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
There are two versions of what could happen. In the first case, one where only the rider is involved, insurance payments for medical or property are between the responsible person and their insurance company. If there is damage to someone else's property, their car for example, the two insurance companies would work it out. If the rider or the driver was cited for a moving violation, that might weigh the scale in favor of one party or another. I'm sure your sister can give you the ins and outs of that scenario.

In the second case, one where there is significant injury or death, and where violation of the law has been determined by the investigating agency, the rider may end up in court as a defendant or plaintiff. In some cases, arbitration may be an alternative to trial. Either way, the defendant will be faced with convincing an appointed arbitrator or a jury of their degree of responsibility. If the defendant tries to minimize their accountability or shirk responsibility altogether, the plaintiff's lawyers (who, if they're worth their fees) will have researched the defendant's behavior, especially through social media.

Now let's take a hypothetical. Suppose a rider engages in a little hooliganism. Or more than a little. And suppose this rider shares their views through social media via text and video. If that kind of thing shows a blatant disregard for local laws, it is likely to have an effect on the arbitrator or, in the case of a trial, the jury.

In the first case it is something between the rider and his insurance carrier. Maybe it includes the constabulary or another insurance company. That is small potatoes in comparison to the second case. If the rider is found responsible for long term health care of an injured party or, heaven forbid, death of someone else, that person could be faced with an overwhelming financial burden. Or jail time. Or both.

You decide.
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