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Nov 28th 2017, 10:36 PM   #16
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Triumph Street Twin
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No doubt, the stock exhaust on the new Gixxer 1000 is a prime example. I know it's done to meet all the Euro regs, but maybe Suzuki knows that riders will change the exhausts anyway, so who cares how it looks from the factory.
The joys of the government pretending they're doing something good, companies pretending they're following government guidance, customers footing the bill for all the waste, and environment taking a hit due to all the energy-heavy parts that get tossed away right after the purchase.

But somebody in the Castle gets to feel good and get a promotion, maybe even a better desk with a view of the window with a view.

/Kafka reference because the rain is really getting on my nerves.
Nov 28th 2017, 11:44 PM   #17
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  Apr 2016
  Kitsap

  Yamaha Venture Victory Octane
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Title said hot new Harley guess I was hoping to see something new or some actual changes not just bolt ons
Probably reading said review would have been a good thing.....,

I'm actually digging the styling. Would like that headlight on my Octane instead of the round one with mini screen. Wife would absolutely lose her mind if I got a HD so it's a good thing it came out after I bought. Kind of like KTM releasing the 990 SuperDuke after I got my 06 ZX14
I ended up doing track days, commuting and touring the 14. Never could have done all that on a Duke. Now I don't have to defend buying a Harley

Edited by Skiffman on Nov 28th 2017 at 11:51 PM
Nov 29th 2017, 06:45 AM   #18
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
HOw is that not this?



Nov 29th 2017, 07:08 AM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  West Richland, WA

I'm no Harley fan, but I like it!
Nov 29th 2017, 08:03 AM   #20
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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HOw is that not this?



Styling wise they are very similar. But that's it. Maybe try reading the article, and any other regarding the new Softail line and you will find out for yourself.

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Nov 29th 2017, 08:09 AM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Northeast Olalla

  07 Guzzi
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HOw is that not this?
I don't know, maybe the tighter fork rake and shorter tube length, front pegs further aft, swing arm type, or the greater seat height makes them entirely different?

All in all I would have to assume that the new Fat Bob would be a much more aggressive platform than the Dyna.
Nov 29th 2017, 09:47 AM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  WA

  Harley Davidson LR-S
They've changed as much between the '17 FatBob and the '18 Fatbob as the Mustang did in '04 and '05, with the exception of being able to give a car a new face in a way a bike can't.



Then again, as far as a naked front on a bike goes, these are pretty different.



I think all they actually share is the name. It's not even a Dyna anymore but a Softail.



Check one out in the real world, a dealer would have both.
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Nov 29th 2017, 10:30 AM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  WA

  Harley Davidson LR-S
Might not be a bad video for people:



It's 20 minutes long if you watch the whole thing, but if nothing else catch the reaction of the guy in the garage (~14min) who's coming off a sportbike and trying the '18 Fatbob.


Might be enough for people to actually try one
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Nov 29th 2017, 10:35 AM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Might not be a bad video for people:



It's 20 minutes long if you watch the whole thing, but if nothing else catch the reaction of the guy in the garage (~14min) who's coming off a sportbike and trying the '18 Fatbob.


Might be enough for people to actually try one
Blockhead is one of the Motovloggers I follow because he's just a motorcycle enthusiast, not a brand junkie. He has both a supersport (just sold his R6 for a CBR1000RR) and a Harley LR-S. He rides with people that have sport bikes and Harleys. And he seems to be just an all around nice guy.
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Nov 29th 2017, 04:09 PM   #25
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '15 Grom, '08 BMW K12GT, '06 Honda CBR1000RR (Track), '14 KTM Duke 690
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Didn't take long for the anti-Harley crowd to do their normal. We get that you don't like them, so why not just avoid being a dick and ignore any thread about them?
Anti-Harley. No, Just forever a hopeful Harley guy. Someone else mentioned it too: It'd be nice to see something new from the Motor Company.

Despite their best efforts to claim new tech and product advancements, they're not fooling anyone who can read between the lines.
Nov 29th 2017, 05:04 PM   #26
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Anti-Harley. No, Just forever a hopeful Harley guy. Someone else mentioned it too: It'd be nice to see something new from the Motor Company.

Despite their best efforts to claim new tech and product advancements, they're not fooling anyone who can read between the lines.
What do you mean by new? Something not "Harley"?

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Nov 29th 2017, 05:45 PM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  WA

  Harley Davidson LR-S
What about Project LiveWire?

Project LiveWire | Electric Motorcycle | Harley-Davidson USA





That's about as different as you can get from a traditional Harley. And yep, it's electric.

"The Project LiveWire™ motorcycle is simply one of the ways we are exploring how we might further grow the diverse family of Harley® motorcycle riders."


They're looking for feedback, they're testing ideas. They took it around for people to test to see how they liked it before looking into production.

Harley is testing waters, the FatBob is proof they are listening about handling and brakes. Too big of a step though won't be profitable for them. Older Harley riders want Harley to still mean what it does today. Sport riders aren't going to be too eager to accept Harley as a supersport bike maker. They have to get both crowds open to the ideas before they can sell the bikes.

And you can't tell me they can't. Even if there isn't one person in the room that understands how to make a sportbike somehow, they have the money to get that crew to make something to compete with an R1, the question is would it be profitable? And as of today, nope. But a better handling big-twin? Well... a lot of people are taking interest in the FatBob and I believe it will prove to be the start of a new line in time.

Just got to get people to associate different things with the name Harley for that to work. The FatBob is step 1 in doing that.

Edited by CaptainAwesome on Nov 29th 2017 at 05:49 PM
Nov 29th 2017, 06:18 PM   #28
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  Allyn, WA

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I love the people that say they really want to own a Harley, but first Harley has to make something they want. Then you don't really want to own a Harley.

That would like someone saying they would really like to own a Ferrari, but not until they make a front drive, four-door, hybrid.

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Nov 29th 2017, 06:49 PM   #29
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  Jan 2016
  Stumpy Puddleton

  R1200ST, CB350
Well, it's not so bad if you stay within the realm of what Harley has actually done. Me, I'd love something that has the mechanics and geometry of an XR1200 but which trades the vintage AMF-era sports-equipment look for the denim attitude of a newer Iron 883.
Nov 29th 2017, 07:35 PM   #30
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  Feb 2016
  Seattle

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Originally Posted by CaptainAwesome
Might not be a bad video for people:

It's 20 minutes long if you watch the whole thing, but if nothing else catch the reaction of the guy in the garage (~14min) who's coming off a sportbike and trying the '18 Fatbob.


Might be enough for people to actually try one
I watched a few minutes of the video, saw them drinking some alcohol to make the riding more interesting, then skipped ahead to witness the "sport bike comment" after taking some low speed turns at low speed in traffic.

I have two thoughts, first is because there are no twisties anywhere near Orlando, maybe for making left turns from one 5 lane road to another, whatever Harley he's riding is adequate. My second thought was that this idiot simply has no idea what a "sport bike" is, and I'm fully willing to concede that he may in fact own some bike which could be considered such, but owning a Sportbike and riding one are different things. I want to see some chicken strips, or lack thereof before granting somebody status which, from their own responses, I don't believe they have earned.

But I'm open minded. The only Harley I've ever ridden was a 1200 sportster which was confusing because the engine size didn't match the thrust provided, and the name didn't match the feeling. But it was a Harley. Maybe I need to ride a newer one. What's the current Harley "sportbike" and will they let me ride one? Do I need to demand the 114 cubic inch hunk?
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