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Jul 5th 2019, 11:22 AM   #106
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  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM, XR100
I once had a German Shepherd named Willow. Man she was the best dog! You can see her in my avatar.

Man I miss her!

Now I'm going to go start my MC and see how she's doing.

Have a great day!
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Jul 5th 2019, 11:42 AM   #107
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  Garden Home

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Originally Posted by Willow
I once had a German Shepherd named Willow. Man she was the best dog! You can see her in my avatar.

Man I miss her!

Now I'm going to go start my MC and see how she's doing.

Have a great day!
be like Brad....
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Jul 5th 2019, 03:17 PM   #108
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
this thread reminds me of the best video ever made: you are gonna wanna watch this on a big screen and big speakers.
urn it up.
and oh, damn, dat flag scene.
YAAAHHH!!!!!
"Ima send ya to the yard. Get a stick. Make a switch."
Americuh - fuck yeah.
...and random chickens.


Edited by Sentinel on Jul 5th 2019 at 03:21 PM
Sep 23rd 2019, 02:06 PM   #109
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

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I went to the New Hampshire Department of Corrections website and saw no entry for Zhukovskyy. I don't know if that means he is out on bail or perhaps in ICE custody (they had a detainer on him). Last I read was that he was going to trial in November. If anyone knows anymore detail, please share.
Sep 24th 2019, 11:46 AM   #110
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2009 Aprilia RSVR, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
So much is so fucked up about this tragedy, I don't even know where to start. 1st of all, if that fucker is still breathing, I wanna know why. I don't give a shit about "innocent before proven guilty". He was there, fell outta his rig, aint no proving his guilt, it's right there for all to see. One burning slug and it's over. 2nd, how about those ass-hat bureaucrats that "run" the states' DMV's? They certainly have a high level of culpability in this case, IMHO. They should do time, too.

After thinking about this story for quite some time now, I did (and still kinda do, unfortunately), have concerns about the deceased riders. I have thought about the type(s) of bikes they were on, their level of training, experience, etc etc. But upon pondering, I gotta admit that I felt kinda shitty about it, kinda guilty. Regardless of all skill, experience, what-have-you, they were VICTIMS of that asshole who never should've been on the road. Period. Killing him won't bring everyone back, but it would send a message: If you're driving, PAY FUCKING ATTENTION or you will be sittin in a jail cell with Bubba the Molesta bustin a load in yo ass on a daily basis. Sorry for the rated R version, I'm good now. Whew.
Sep 24th 2019, 12:39 PM   #111
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

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So much is so fucked up about this tragedy, I don't even know where to start. 1st of all, if that fucker is still breathing, I wanna know why. I don't give a shit about "innocent before proven guilty". He was there, fell outta his rig, aint no proving his guilt, it's right there for all to see. One burning slug and it's over. 2nd, how about those ass-hat bureaucrats that "run" the states' DMV's? They certainly have a high level of culpability in this case, IMHO. They should do time, too.

After thinking about this story for quite some time now, I did (and still kinda do, unfortunately), have concerns about the deceased riders. I have thought about the type(s) of bikes they were on, their level of training, experience, etc etc. But upon pondering, I gotta admit that I felt kinda shitty about it, kinda guilty. Regardless of all skill, experience, what-have-you, they were VICTIMS of that asshole who never should've been on the road. Period. Killing him won't bring everyone back, but it would send a message: If you're driving, PAY FUCKING ATTENTION or you will be sittin in a jail cell with Bubba the Molesta bustin a load in yo ass on a daily basis. Sorry for the rated R version, I'm good now. Whew.
I feel pretty similar. People are way too casual about driving, and there needs to be better training and enforcement.
Sep 24th 2019, 04:23 PM   #112
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
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Originally Posted by MV Man
FireDave is right on the money.

Before I start, I want to make it clear that there is NOTHING that will mitigate the offender's responsibility for the death and injuries he inflicted upon all those innocent victims.

That said, the casualties in this case are absolutely unbelievable.

I have done the math. The first one or two motorcyclists may have not been able to avoid the collision, but from the third one on, it was completely avoidable.

Regarding the motorcyclists involved in this collision, I am curious as to the exact safety gear that they were wearing. The collision may not have been avoidable for the first one or two, but their survival of that collision would certainly be impacted by the safety gear they were (or were not) wearing.

Regarding the third through TENTH motorcyclists involved in this incident, I am also curious as to their level of competent formal rider training and/or objectively quantifiable riding skill, beyond just "figuring out" on their own through trial-and-error, how to get a motorcycle rolling without stalling the engine.

And finally, I am curious as to whether the establishment that they motorcyclists had just pulled out of, had a liquor license.
My thoughts too. Also, remember that some HD riders don't even use the front brakes. I have no idea why but that seems to be the case.
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Sep 24th 2019, 06:56 PM   #113
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The reason that I resurrected this thread was to find out if anyone knew any additional information about the legal disposition other than what I was aware of and that is, the guy was set to be on trial for negligent homicide in November. As I said back in the earlier pages, there is more that needs to happen besides persecution of the driver. Follow-up with licensing agreements between states that would uncover revoked or suspended licenses, more thorough vetting requirements for CDLs, and other potential modifications might be a valid approach.

Criticism of riders that you don't know based solely on the types of bikes they ride is a bad example of stereotyping. I have met riders of all ages who ride all styles and brands of bikes and there are skilled riders and squids among each and every group.
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Edited by 307T on Sep 25th 2019 at 09:50 PM
Sep 24th 2019, 07:53 PM   #114
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by MV Man
Nobody's being critical of the victims- we simply have questions. Logical questions, given the known fact pattern of this tragedy.

If there is even a SINGLE MOLECULE of evidence of ANY formal rider training and/or objectively quantifiable demonstrated riding skill for ANY of the 10 motorcyclists involved in this collision, PLEASE feel free to share it. I suspect that there is none.
Other than you are making blanket statements about riders of certain brands that are simply biased opinion and then applying that to those who were victims of this incident.
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Sep 24th 2019, 07:57 PM   #115
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There is, at the very least, rider's certification for licensing in both NH and Mass. Whether advanced training or other experience was completed is something I don't know. And neither do you.

I'm guessing that based on your professional background that you have worked with crash reconstruction teams at one time or another. I have. They would be the go-to source to determine if there were any viable options available to the riders, not you or me from 3000 miles away.

Edited by 307T on Sep 24th 2019 at 08:19 PM
Sep 25th 2019, 08:09 AM   #116
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  SeaTac

Blame the victim! Seems to be the standard these days.
Sep 25th 2019, 08:31 AM   #117
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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Originally Posted by 307T
Criticism of riders that you don't know based solely on the types of bikes they ride is a bad example of stereotyping. I have met riders of all ages who ride all styles and brands of bikes and there are skilled rider's and squids among each and every group.
A fair point, but I read most of this thread as reasonable criticism of their riding, based on the details of the incident and the outcome. The type of bike is relevant because we've ALL seen herds of cruisers in tight formation, which is, IMO, much less frequently seen of other types of bikes outside of idiots like the Bombsquad.

Yes, it's stereotyping, not solely based on the type of bike, rather it's based (for most of us) on repeated observations of the behavior.
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Sep 25th 2019, 09:00 AM   #118
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by MV Man
Nobody's blaming the victims.
Well, let's take a look at that.
Their choice of bike style picked on. Check.
Their riding ability picked on because of the bike style. Check.
The 'probable' way they ride (pack style, too close) because of bike style picked on. Check.
There are a lot of posts that 'appear' to be going 'at' the riders when it was the 'tool' (driver causing it) that was the cause.
If he had not been on the road, drunk, loosing control of his vehicle, NONE of this would have happened. Period.
Sep 25th 2019, 09:45 AM   #119
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  Jan 2016
  Oregon Coast

  2017 BMW R1200RT
Recent posts keep saying "10 motorcycles".
I understood the accident to involve "10 MOTORCYCLISTS".
Were there not some two-up riders?

Without accident investigation details seems like a lot of guessing and opinions as to how people were riding, what gear they had, if gear would have saved them, what training they had. Maybe all those details have been published in some follow up articles that I have not seen.

I do wear good gear and I try to keep a conservative following distance. But not yet experiencing a truck and trailer moving into my lane I won't say I would have had any better outcome than these riders. I'll stick with putting blame on the truck driver.

As that fellow moving from paradise to the rainy northwest says: "When riding staggered, the space within the lane beside each motorcyclist, belongs to that motorcyclist, not the one behind him.". Yes indeed, it is my &#%$@*^ lane, stay out. So follow me at a prudent distance. Don't calculate following distance based on the guy in front of me because at any moment I might just decide I like the other half of MY lane better than where I am and move over. :-)
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Edited by coastrider on Sep 25th 2019 at 09:46 AM Reason: typo
Sep 26th 2019, 06:11 AM   #120
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  SeaTac

Aaaaand now go after the person that points out the 'blaming the victim'. Perfect.
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