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Jul 5th 2019, 12:22 PM   #106
 Willow's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Silverdale, WA

  848evo, DRZ400SM, XR100
I once had a German Shepherd named Willow. Man she was the best dog! You can see her in my avatar.

Man I miss her!

Now I'm going to go start my MC and see how she's doing.

Have a great day!
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Jul 5th 2019, 12:42 PM   #107
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  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
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Originally Posted by Willow
I once had a German Shepherd named Willow. Man she was the best dog! You can see her in my avatar.

Man I miss her!

Now I'm going to go start my MC and see how she's doing.

Have a great day!
be like Brad....
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Jul 5th 2019, 04:17 PM   #108
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2019 Nada
this thread reminds me of the best video ever made: you are gonna wanna watch this on a big screen and big speakers.
urn it up.
and oh, damn, dat flag scene.
YAAAHHH!!!!!
"Ima send ya to the yard. Get a stick. Make a switch."
Americuh - fuck yeah.
...and random chickens.


Edited by Sentinel on Jul 5th 2019 at 04:21 PM
Sep 23rd 2019, 03:06 PM   #109
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
I went to the New Hampshire Department of Corrections website and saw no entry for Zhukovskyy. I don't know if that means he is out on bail or perhaps in ICE custody (they had a detainer on him). Last I read was that he was going to trial in November. If anyone knows anymore detail, please share.
Sep 24th 2019, 02:30 AM   #110
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia, by way of Maui

  MV Agusta F3 800
FireDave is right on the money.

Before I start, I want to make it clear that there is NOTHING that will mitigate the offender's responsibility for the death and injuries he inflicted upon all those innocent victims.

That said, the casualties in this case are absolutely unbelievable.

I have done the math. The first one or two motorcyclists may have not been able to avoid the collision, but from the third one on, it was completely avoidable.

Regarding the motorcyclists involved in this collision, I am curious as to the exact safety gear that they were wearing. The collision may not have been avoidable for the first one or two, but their survival of that collision would certainly be impacted by the safety gear they were (or were not) wearing.

Regarding the third through TENTH motorcyclists involved in this incident, I am also curious as to their level of competent formal rider training and/or objectively quantifiable riding skill, beyond just "figuring out" on their own through trial-and-error, how to get a motorcycle rolling without stalling the engine.

And finally, I am curious as to whether the establishment that they motorcyclists had just pulled out of, had a liquor license.
Sep 24th 2019, 12:46 PM   #111
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
So much is so fucked up about this tragedy, I don't even know where to start. 1st of all, if that fucker is still breathing, I wanna know why. I don't give a shit about "innocent before proven guilty". He was there, fell outta his rig, aint no proving his guilt, it's right there for all to see. One burning slug and it's over. 2nd, how about those ass-hat bureaucrats that "run" the states' DMV's? They certainly have a high level of culpability in this case, IMHO. They should do time, too.

After thinking about this story for quite some time now, I did (and still kinda do, unfortunately), have concerns about the deceased riders. I have thought about the type(s) of bikes they were on, their level of training, experience, etc etc. But upon pondering, I gotta admit that I felt kinda shitty about it, kinda guilty. Regardless of all skill, experience, what-have-you, they were VICTIMS of that asshole who never should've been on the road. Period. Killing him won't bring everyone back, but it would send a message: If you're driving, PAY FUCKING ATTENTION or you will be sittin in a jail cell with Bubba the Molesta bustin a load in yo ass on a daily basis. Sorry for the rated R version, I'm good now. Whew.
Sep 24th 2019, 01:39 PM   #112
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2012 Ninja 250, Tiger 800
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So much is so fucked up about this tragedy, I don't even know where to start. 1st of all, if that fucker is still breathing, I wanna know why. I don't give a shit about "innocent before proven guilty". He was there, fell outta his rig, aint no proving his guilt, it's right there for all to see. One burning slug and it's over. 2nd, how about those ass-hat bureaucrats that "run" the states' DMV's? They certainly have a high level of culpability in this case, IMHO. They should do time, too.

After thinking about this story for quite some time now, I did (and still kinda do, unfortunately), have concerns about the deceased riders. I have thought about the type(s) of bikes they were on, their level of training, experience, etc etc. But upon pondering, I gotta admit that I felt kinda shitty about it, kinda guilty. Regardless of all skill, experience, what-have-you, they were VICTIMS of that asshole who never should've been on the road. Period. Killing him won't bring everyone back, but it would send a message: If you're driving, PAY FUCKING ATTENTION or you will be sittin in a jail cell with Bubba the Molesta bustin a load in yo ass on a daily basis. Sorry for the rated R version, I'm good now. Whew.
I feel pretty similar. People are way too casual about driving, and there needs to be better training and enforcement.
Sep 24th 2019, 02:06 PM   #113
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia, by way of Maui

  MV Agusta F3 800
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Originally Posted by Ralgha
I feel pretty similar. People are way too casual about driving, and there needs to be better training and enforcement.
I have spent my career working very hard on that enforcement, to make the roads safer for the community that I serve.

I have worked very hard to develop my DUI skill set- I have arrested countless offenders for driving drunk and/or high, reckless driving, driving without a valid license, driving with a suspended/revoked license, and/or driving with a license suspended/revoked for DUI, as well as arresting offenders with outstanding warrants for driving drunk and/or high, reckless driving, driving without a valid license, driving with a suspended/revoked license, and/or driving with a license suspended/revoked for DUI- offenders that belong in jail, not on the roads shared by our loved ones.

I'll never know how many lives I have saved over the years, but as a motorcycle rider, I recognize the importance of that enforcement.
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Sep 24th 2019, 05:23 PM   #114
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  Jan 2016
  Richland

  Yamaha FZ1, KTM Super Duke GT, Yamaha FJR, Yamaha XS650
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Originally Posted by MV Man
FireDave is right on the money.

Before I start, I want to make it clear that there is NOTHING that will mitigate the offender's responsibility for the death and injuries he inflicted upon all those innocent victims.

That said, the casualties in this case are absolutely unbelievable.

I have done the math. The first one or two motorcyclists may have not been able to avoid the collision, but from the third one on, it was completely avoidable.

Regarding the motorcyclists involved in this collision, I am curious as to the exact safety gear that they were wearing. The collision may not have been avoidable for the first one or two, but their survival of that collision would certainly be impacted by the safety gear they were (or were not) wearing.

Regarding the third through TENTH motorcyclists involved in this incident, I am also curious as to their level of competent formal rider training and/or objectively quantifiable riding skill, beyond just "figuring out" on their own through trial-and-error, how to get a motorcycle rolling without stalling the engine.

And finally, I am curious as to whether the establishment that they motorcyclists had just pulled out of, had a liquor license.
My thoughts too. Also, remember that some HD riders don't even use the front brakes. I have no idea why but that seems to be the case.
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Sep 24th 2019, 05:42 PM   #115
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia, by way of Maui

  MV Agusta F3 800
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My thoughts too. Also, remember that some HD riders don't even use the front brakes. I have no idea why but that seems to be the case.
Owning a motorcycle doesn't make someone a rider, any more than owning a spork would make someone a neurosurgeon.

For that reason, I generally avoid using the word "rider" when referring to Harley-Davidson owners. The word "rider" implies that they actually know how to ride, and in my experience, they usually don't know how to ride.

And they tend to be EXTREMELY emotionally fragile- if you tell a Harley-Davidson owner that doesn't know how to ride...that they don't know how to ride, they tend to get all butt hurt over it. I don't get it- if someone told me that I don't know how to play golf, it wouldn't offend me at all.

This makes them extremely resistant to obtaining proper rider training. The development of their skill set usually involves figuring out through trial and error, how to get it rolling without stalling the engine...and then they just stop learning. What they mistake for an increasing skill set, is simply them becoming more and more comfortable over time, at not knowing how to ride.
Sep 24th 2019, 07:05 PM   #116
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia, by way of Maui

  MV Agusta F3 800
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
I kind of hit on this earlier in the thread and discussed a lil bit about abs and good electronics with a really good rider vs. , an HD rider who rides 2 days a month without abs.... Until I was shot down by an HD rider who claims you donít need ABS if your a good rider... Anyway.....
That would be fine, if they were actually good riders, but in my experience, they tend to be the absolute opposite of good riders. In most cases, even using the word "rider" to describe them is completely inaccurate.

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I have a lot of questions going through my head about this incident, but I feel itís disrespectful to rant on about it. Mutherfuckers are dead and thatís it. No words are going to change that. I just continue to ride.
A more healthy way to look at it, in my opinion, would be to recognize that human life has great value, and that whenever there is a needless loss of human life, we should study it to learn from it, to try to minimize the future loss of valuable human life. The loss of life is tragic in and of itself, but for that life to be lost without anyone else learning anything from it, would be far more tragic.
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Sep 24th 2019, 07:56 PM   #117
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
The reason that I resurrected this thread was to find out if anyone knew any additional information about the legal disposition other than what I was aware of and that is, the guy was set to be on trial for negligent homicide in November. As I said back in the earlier pages, there is more that needs to happen besides persecution of the driver. Follow-up with licensing agreements between states that would uncover revoked or suspended licenses, more thorough vetting requirements for CDLs, and other potential modifications might be a valid approach.

Criticism of riders that you don't know based solely on the types of bikes they ride is a bad example of stereotyping. I have met riders of all ages who ride all styles and brands of bikes and there are skilled riders and squids among each and every group.
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Edited by 307T on Sep 25th 2019 at 10:50 PM
Sep 24th 2019, 08:05 PM   #118
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  Sep 2019
  Portlandia, by way of Maui

  MV Agusta F3 800
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Originally Posted by 307T
Criticism of riders that you don't know based solely on the types of bikes they ride is a bad example of stereotyping. I have met riders of all ages who ride all styles and brands of bikes and there are skilled rider's and squids among each and every group.
Nobody's being critical of the victims- we simply have questions. Logical questions, given the known fact pattern of this tragedy.

If there is even a SINGLE MOLECULE of evidence of ANY formal rider training and/or objectively quantifiable demonstrated riding skill for ANY of the 10 motorcyclists involved in this collision, PLEASE feel free to share it. I suspect that there is none.
Sep 24th 2019, 08:53 PM   #119
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by MV Man
Nobody's being critical of the victims- we simply have questions. Logical questions, given the known fact pattern of this tragedy.

If there is even a SINGLE MOLECULE of evidence of ANY formal rider training and/or objectively quantifiable demonstrated riding skill for ANY of the 10 motorcyclists involved in this collision, PLEASE feel free to share it. I suspect that there is none.
Other than you are making blanket statements about riders of certain brands that are simply biased opinion and then applying that to those who were victims of this incident.
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Sep 24th 2019, 08:57 PM   #120
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
There is, at the very least, rider's certification for licensing in both NH and Mass. Whether advanced training or other experience was completed is something I don't know. And neither do you.

I'm guessing that based on your professional background that you have worked with crash reconstruction teams at one time or another. I have. They would be the go-to source to determine if there were any viable options available to the riders, not you or me from 3000 miles away.

Edited by 307T on Sep 24th 2019 at 09:19 PM
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