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Jul 3rd 2019, 02:35 PM   #76
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parilla125
Drunks and addicts don't care. Period. The drunk and high are the only thing that matters. Only when they get completely straight (maybe) do they care in the least about anything else. And yes, they will get behind the wheel. License or not.
But the trucking company would not let them get behind the wheel of their truck if their license is revoked, which limits the amount of damage they can cause.
Jul 3rd 2019, 03:52 PM   #77
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
Quote:
Originally Posted by liberpolly
What in the world did they teach you in your economy classes? 6% is a statistical wash. In each magazine, the spread between the results of the same rider and same motorcycle was at that range.




You've just invented the difference between these two terms that exists only in your head. A simple googling would show you that same results are used when applying both terms. But if you have an article where two motorcycles were tested together, go ahead.


Still as arrogant as ignorant. Neither motorcycle is limited by its rotors or hydraulics, since both are capable of locking the tires at the tested speed (dual rotors are advantageous for repeated braking during racing since they dissipate heat better, but it doesn't matter at one-time emergency stop).

Weight transfrer is a *disadvantage* here since it reduces braking power of the rear tire, whereas heavy long cruiser is able to utilize both. Hence similar braking/stopping distance, you dolt.

The rest of your reply is equally silly nonsense. On a personal level,


I've ridden 2017 R6 and 2019 Harley Fat Bob (I think? or some other incarnation of their latest crop), and Harley, aside from being a heavy unwiedy pig, was braking suprisingly well even compared to my 2011 Ducati Diavel. R6 is much lighter so it's hard to compare by feeling only, but my Diavel brakes definitely better. Overall, it's not nearly as drastic difference as it was 10 years ago.

Your arrogance reinforces your ignorance. Learn to learn.
You accomplished one thing: Entertaining with ignorance. Otherwise, did you say anything?

Give up. Name calling? Lame explanations for things and experiences you don't understand and never had?

Here's an easily googled/found definition of the differential term you say I 'invented:'

Braking distance: The distance traveled after the brakes are applied, to a full stop.
Stopping distance: The sum of the distances: A. Distance traveled during reaction time and B. Braking Distance.

Since your two original linked articles KNOW what they're talking about, I'd like to think they know the difference between these two terms, and that each used the correct term when describing each bike's braking performance/test.

Which is another way of saying: Nice try dumbass, at attempting to equate two things not equitable.

Convince yourself that a FatBob and Diavel brake better than an R6. Please do it with a brick wall exactly 124 feet away. I dare ya. After you hit the wall, after your head injury . . . your subsequent drop in IQ will be a statistical wash, right?

Edited by FireDave on Jul 3rd 2019 at 05:26 PM
Jul 3rd 2019, 04:27 PM   #78
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
a seriously tragic accident happened and good people lost their lives..but let's get into a pissing match in PNW Moto over semantics..yeah that's the ticket...
Jul 3rd 2019, 05:37 PM   #79
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '18 BMW R12RS, '05 BMW R12ST
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Originally Posted by chadams66
a seriously tragic accident happened and good people lost their lives..but let's get into a pissing match in PNW Moto over semantics..yeah that's the ticket...
Tragic accidents and loss of life happens every day, many times over. I didn't know those people and I don't mourn them. Your assumption of 'good people' is not in evidence.

You're right, arguing over semantics is pointless. But I'm not arguing. I'm using the correct terms in the correct context, the other has a stick up his ass over something I probably wrote months ago and he can't seem to get enough time away from PNW to find another outlet for his mental masturbation.
Jul 3rd 2019, 06:18 PM   #80
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
You accomplished one thing: Entertaining with ignorance. Otherwise, did you say anything?

Give up. Name calling? Lame explanations for things and experiences you don't understand and never had?

Here's an easily googled/found definition of the differential term you say I 'invented:'

Braking distance: The distance traveled after the brakes are applied, to a full stop.
Stopping distance: The sum of the distances: A. Distance traveled during reaction time and B. Braking Distance.

Since your two original linked articles KNOW what they're talking about, I'd like to think they know the difference between these two terms, and that each used the correct term when describing each bike's braking performance/test.

Which is another way of saying: Nice try dumbass, at attempting to equate two things not equitable.

Convince yourself that a FatBob and Diavel brake better than an R6. Please do it with a brick wall exactly 124 feet away. I dare ya. After you hit the wall, after your head injury . . . your subsequent drop in IQ will be a statistical wash, right?
You've been schooled again and now you're acting like a belligerent child.
Jul 3rd 2019, 06:19 PM   #81
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by Oregon Motorcycle
Heres a list of stopping distances since you guys are too lazy to find facts and would rather argue about it......

Looks to be about a 10-20 foot advantage to the sport bike on stops from 60, in general. Although there is an HD in the mix with a 2 foot shorter distance than the R6. So itís not cruiser vs sport bikes really.... Iíve always said tires are where its at, but thatís just my opinion

https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles...ing_distances/
Reddit. A trusted source since...
Jul 3rd 2019, 06:27 PM   #82
 coastrider's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon Coast

  2017 BMW R1200RT
I have attended the Baker City gathering weekend after Labor Day a couple times and enjoyed dinners and conversation with the folks that showed up. Before I made that first trip I was apprehensive about attending based on the conversations I had seen on this forum. This thread is the sort of thing that gave me reservations about wanting to actually meet up with the people on this forum. I was expecting that half way through dinner the gathering would degenerate into name calling or worse. Either a more polite group of riders attended or folks are on better behavior when having a face to face conversation.
Jul 3rd 2019, 07:54 PM   #83
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  Apr 2016
  Des Moines, WA

  ...1987 Yamaha FZR1000...
Many folks, maybe most, feel good when they know/understand/believe that they are right, correct, the most accurate. Who won? A person has to do one's own research in order to learn that answer. Admittedly, I don't always do the research.

When I have done the research; that is the stuff I reserve for that quiet, teachable moment; during a face-to face conversation.

In any case, we should feel fortunate that we can discuss this, after the fact. We didn't have to experience it first-hand.
Jul 3rd 2019, 08:06 PM   #84
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  Apr 2016
  Molalla

  2007 Aprilia Tuono Factory, 2010 Honda VFR 1200f DCT
Gettin outta hand fella's..and off topic. Asshole kid who shouldn't have been driving was. Now 7 people are needlessly dead and families devastated. Could've/should've been prevented with a little oversight and diligence/follow through. But this can't/won't/don't happen because we as a society refuse to prioritize, through funding mandates, policies that educate, discourage, punish those who flout the system, continue to think that their actions don't have consequences, and don't receive proper justice.

Not to go off on a rant here, but we are long past due deciding what kind of a society we want to live in. We get what we deserve. But don't even think about revenge or vigilante-ism, the man will put you in jail. The system is broken, and there is no political will to fix it. It's all about catering to your donors and corporate masters to get re-elected to install and enforce draconian laws that benefit those who can afford to buy policy makers and legislators. Don't gimme this bullshit about bipartisan-ship, they're ALL corrupt, and they don't give a shit what the average Joe wants or needs. It's all about makin as much money as they can. Wow...what a bummer of a post. I need to go smoke a joint and chill out. I'm gonna listen to Van Morrison and plan my ride to the coast on Friday. Think I'll go to Pacific City via the route to Hebo...mmmm
Jul 3rd 2019, 08:22 PM   #85
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  Jul 2016
  Oregon

  husky 701 sumo
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Originally Posted by coastrider
Either a more polite group of riders attended or folks are on better behavior when having a face to face conversation.
My theory is people tend to get lippy banging on their keyboards because there's no chance they'll get blasted in the face for being a dick in person.

In my secret laboratory, I'm working on a 'bitch slap button' for the internet. Where you mash the button, and can bitch slap someone across the interwebs. It's promising technology, but I don't have a working prototype. Yet.

And BTW, I *hate* your motorcycle. lol Looks like a cop bike!
Jul 3rd 2019, 11:50 PM   #86
 Transported's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
The internet demands rhetoric. It’s what propelled a huckster into the White House.

Most of us don’t live IRL that way though.
Jul 4th 2019, 12:06 AM   #87
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

Quote:
Originally Posted by coastrider
I have attended the Baker City gathering weekend after Labor Day a couple times and enjoyed dinners and conversation with the folks that showed up. Before I made that first trip I was apprehensive about attending based on the conversations I had seen on this forum. This thread is the sort of thing that gave me reservations about wanting to actually meet up with the people on this forum. I was expecting that half way through dinner the gathering would degenerate into name calling or worse. Either a more polite group of riders attended or folks are on better behavior when having a face to face conversation.
Oh snap!
Jul 4th 2019, 12:12 AM   #88
 chadams66's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Garden Home

  2012 Versys...'83 BMW R80 RT...Suzuki GS 450t
Quote:
Originally Posted by coastrider
I have attended the Baker City gathering weekend after Labor Day a couple times and enjoyed dinners and conversation with the folks that showed up. Before I made that first trip I was apprehensive about attending based on the conversations I had seen on this forum. This thread is the sort of thing that gave me reservations about wanting to actually meet up with the people on this forum. I was expecting that half way through dinner the gathering would degenerate into name calling or worse. Either a more polite group of riders attended or folks are on better behavior when having a face to face conversation.
it was good seeing you in Baker City and yes we do get some of the cream of the crop on that ride...patiently waiting on this year's ride notice...
Jul 4th 2019, 02:15 AM   #89
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Rideapart compiled a list of the driver's transgressions:
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/3...st-record-dui/

complete systemic failure of the bureaucracy on all levels.

The biggest danger of our times is not rhetoric, it's arrogant ignorance of people who just *know* they are rigth, despite the facts. A huckster into the White House was propelled by people who got sick of being lectured by an ignoramus in the White House.
Jul 4th 2019, 02:44 AM   #90
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
The real problem is when people ignore facts when they don’t align with their ideology.

That is when it is tempting to turn to “alternative facts.”

Edited by Transported on Jul 4th 2019 at 02:48 AM
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