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Jun 25th 2019, 06:05 PM   #16
 ZXtasy's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Moses Lake, WA

  2013 Kawasaki Concours C-14, 2005 ZX-10R Kawasaki (Nekkid), '99 Yamaha TW-200
So sad, wonder how many died from head trauma? NH has no helmet law for over 18, plus cruiser helmets are typically for show...may get flamed, but as a crash survivor at road and track speeds full coverage helmets do their job.
Jun 25th 2019, 08:59 PM   #17
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
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Originally Posted by Akdawg
TSupposedly the guy has had multiple DUIs....state should be held accountable for letting the guy behind the wheel of ANYTHING again.
Yep, I sure hope some family sues the state, and wins.
Jun 26th 2019, 12:06 AM   #18
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
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Originally Posted by liberpolly
Yep, I sure hope some family sues the state, and wins.
Sorry bro but that ain't gonna happen.

My guess is that there will be multiple lawsuits against the employer for medical bills for those who were injured and other lawsuits from the families of the deceased. Being that it was a commercial business, and I don't know the laws in New Hampshire, they are probably required to hold some minimal amount of liability insurance plus they could be sued for their assets. The owner will liquidate and declare bankruptcy. The money available will likely not cover the costs to the three who survived let alone the families of those who died. It will be lawyers vs lawyers in the end.

There will be no changes in licensing requirements in all probability. Just maybe some insurance carriers will review client records but doubtful. Life will go on as before, people will mutter about how dangerous motorcycles are. Everyone will forget except for the families of those who were involved.

I am not a lawyer, this is just the opinion of someone with a bit of experience.
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Jun 26th 2019, 07:58 AM   #19
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  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Yeah, things always remain as they always were. Until they change. Someone got to start...
Jun 26th 2019, 08:13 AM   #20
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  Jun 2016
  Kirkland, WA

  2011 Triumph Daytona 675 Track
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So sad, wonder how many died from head trauma? NH has no helmet law for over 18, plus cruiser helmets are typically for show...may get flamed, but as a crash survivor at road and track speeds full coverage helmets do their job.
No Flaming from me. Obviously a terrible situation but if no helmets it had the potential for a different outcome. When I was in College a underclassmen died in a motorcycle accident on campus. I went to school in Philly with no helmet law and so my first question was did he have a helmet on. People gave me a lot of shit for that, come to find out he was going 30 mph, t-shirt, shorts and sandals and a car pulled out in front of him and he was throw from the bike and cracked his head open. I gotta think he would still be with us if he was geared up.
Jun 26th 2019, 09:05 AM   #21
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  Jan 2016
  Oregon Coast

  2017 BMW R1200RT
Latest development in this ongoing story is that head of Mass DMV resigned due to this. Evidently his commercial license should have been pulled due to that DUII a month or so back. (My comment: Oh if only lack of a license could keep people off the road.)

https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachus...re-biker-crash
Jun 26th 2019, 09:59 AM   #22
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Apparently in this country you can not only be incompetent, but a flaming fuckup and still be free and employed.

“Police in Texas told several media outlets that Zhukovskyy also crashed a tractor-trailer in suburban Houston earlier this month. Zhukovskyy told police that he had been cut off, causing him to lose control of the truck. He was not charged.”

[If you are a white male.]
Jun 26th 2019, 10:27 AM   #23
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

  H-D
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Latest development in this ongoing story is that head of Mass DMV resigned due to this.
So there is someone, at least, who is willing to take some responsibility. The woman who headed up the DMV recognized the fuck up and resigned. Kind of like the Captain's responsibility to go down with the ship. I would guess the Marines would see it that way.

As for the driver, his license should have been revoked but was not, so he probably cannot be charged for that. Maybe, and I stress maybe, there was a blood test or other indicator that would lead to a DUI. Other than that there would likely be a felony reckless driving charge which would result in prison time or, maybe...hopefully, a vehicular homicide charge. The Texas incident will not come into play because there was no citation at the time. I guess the cops believed his story about being cut off that time (and the "unless you are a white male" comment is an uncalled for remark).

The bottom line is that none of this likely assuages the grief and anger that the families and friends feel. I hope that there is some effort to streamline the information sharing that should have happened but, to be honest, I am not terribly optimistic. I hope we keep track of how this case proceeds.

Again, this disqualifier: I am not a lawyer.
Jun 26th 2019, 11:38 AM   #24
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
White supremacy influences the majority of our social interactions in the USA.* If it were a latino who crashed in Texas, it may have been a very different story.

And I thought the driver was charged with multiple murder counts. I doubt he will get off.

*If you doubt this, read White Fragility: Why it’s so hard for white people to talk about racism by Robin Diangelo.
Jun 26th 2019, 12:12 PM   #25
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  Jan 2016
  Allyn, WA

  '06 HD Street Bob, '85 Yamaha FJ600, '99 Honda CBR600f4
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Originally Posted by 307T
So there is someone, at least, who is willing to take some responsibility. The woman who headed up the DMV recognized the fuck up and resigned. Kind of like the Captain's responsibility to go down with the ship. I would guess the Marines would see it that way.
Unfortunately, this is more a case of running away from the responsibility rather than face it head on. It's called quitting before getting fired. And this way the state doesn't have to make any changes because they are no longer liable. Her resignation will appear to be an admission of guilt and the state looks squeaky clean.
Jun 26th 2019, 12:49 PM   #26
 
  Jan 2016
  Lynnwood WA

  2007 Yamaha FZ6, 2008 Aprilia Tuono & 2009 Yamaha WR250R
He claims he was sober at the time of the accident but if so, why refuse to be tested?
Jun 26th 2019, 01:36 PM   #27
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

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And I thought the driver was charged with multiple murder counts. I doubt he will get off.
You are correct, and I never said nor implied that he would get off scott free. After I posted my last comment I saw that he had been charged with negligent homicide. We'll have to wait and see how that goes.

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Originally Posted by VeritasImageryNW
Unfortunately, this is more a case of running away from the responsibility rather than face it head on. It's called quitting before getting fired. And this way the state doesn't have to make any changes because they are no longer liable.
That's another way of looking at it. I guess I am not quite that cynical.

Edited by 307T on Jun 26th 2019 at 01:39 PM
Jun 26th 2019, 01:45 PM   #28
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  Jan 2016
  Washington County

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And I thought the driver was charged with multiple murder counts. I doubt he will get off.
No, he was not charged with murder, he was charged with negligent homicide. Splitting hairs of course but my previous post suggested that he'd face vehicular homicide...different words, but probably closer to their charge of negligent homicide than murder. I don't think he'll get off either but I doubt that the sentence will be what he really deserves.
Jun 26th 2019, 02:02 PM   #29
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  Feb 2016
  Rent'n

  2002 Honda RC51, 2005 Honda RC51
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Sorry bro but that ain't gonna happen.
Life will go on as before, people will mutter about how dangerous motorcycles are. Everyone will forget except for the families of those who were involved.
I was not going to jump on this thread for it does make me sad/mad as a motorcyclist.

<hear me out, kind of hijacking>
But the quote above really got me thinking. NO, everyone will NOT forget...they will remember for the wrong reasons. Lane-splitting/sharing.

yes, this was a group stroll on a country road that went bad.
But what I am seeing here on Eastside-Seattle. My stretch of Renton to Kirkland I405 and back is a war zone.

Drivers are soo aggressive to the point where they are faking "oh, I'm going West to Seattle or East to Issaquah" then fucking cutting back over the white triangle stripped median to I405 South (Factoria) to buy maybe 5 minutes of "waiting in line"...which could cause an accident and back shit up even more.

Meanwhile motorcyclists are also trying swim up stream to avoid overheating, clutch fatigue, etc. Kind of a cause and effect.

These news story of bikers getting injured/killed fuels the fire or motorcycles are dangerous..and thus should not be able to
1. Be on our roads
and
2. Be allowed to safely filter through traffic

One of the comments in the one of the news posts about this story was "More like Donorcycles". <- I really hate comments like this

When I read comments on threads about lane-splitting in other articles, online social sites, it's always "fuck the bikers", "it's so dangerous". <- all of this from the comfort of an armchair and a laptop or the feigned safety of a 2T cage with 4 wheels.

Shit happens. Just look at the MSN/Bing news bar today/this week and see how many people made the news by being DEAD.

I have said this before in other threads. Why do so many people give a shit about the dangerous activities that other humans do? Yes, I am guilty of being one of the guys that say, "Yup, that dude should have not jumped off Poo Poo Point in the Batsuit on a windy Winter day" <- but that dude dies doing what he loved.

But in the end...it is the stupidity of individuals and the disregard of others on the road that cause this shit.
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Jun 26th 2019, 02:24 PM   #30
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  Jan 2016
  Portland

  2006 FZ1, 1999 R1
Maybe it is just semantics, but the words chosen do have an influence:

“Zhukovskyy was arraigned in Springfield Monday afternoon. He pleaded not guilty on the fugitive of justice charge, and waived his extradition to New Hampshire, where he will face murder charges.”
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