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Aug 27th 2016, 07:09 AM   #1
 Rustydust's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Emmett Idaho

  2010 Honda Goldwing, 2007 Suzuki Burgman 650, 2005 Kawasaki KLR 650, 1995 Honda PC800
Other than motorcycle oil

Hey Guys

For those of you out there that change their own oil, and I suspect that's most of you, if you do not use motorcycle specific oil then what kind of oil do you use? I have read for years now that Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 is one of the very best oils out there for motorcycle use. Yes, the manufactures all want you to use their oils (as if they have their own refineries!) and a lot of us do. But after reading a test done on oils (both car and motorcycle specific) done by and independent laboratories by MCN magazine and seeing how poorly so many motorcycles oils did (including the Honda brand which I was using at the time) I made the change to the winner (Mobil 1 15W-50) I started using that. 93,000 miles later all is well. Very well even.

Yes, I know. Many shudder at the thought of not using $18 a quart motorcycle oil in their bikes instead of the $25 a gallon (synthetic) oils with the "nothing but the best for my baby" thought. But if the test show (and they do) that oils such as Rotella T6 are great for motorcycle use, even high revving ones, why not use it? My riding buddy with a 2009 Kawasaki Concours sent a sample to Keystone labs after running it in his bike for 10,000 miles and they said all was well and even suggested going longer between changes from now on! That Rotella T6 must be some good stuff!
Aug 27th 2016, 07:23 AM   #2
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2015 Kawasaki Concours 14 - The Origame Sea-Dragon
oh gawd. here we go.
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Aug 27th 2016, 07:44 AM   #3
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  Jan 2016
  Adjacent to the Hobbit Garage

UNLEASH THE OPINIONS!!!!!!
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Aug 27th 2016, 07:48 AM   #4
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  Jan 2016
  NW

In, before this becomes a complete shit-fest.

I use Rotella T6 in my 20 yo Japanese bike. It has the JASO-MA rating required, and I change it more often than the manufacturer recommends.

A friend of mine who does all his own wrenching (including replacing valves), runs super-tech oil in some of his bikes. He figures changing the oil more often is better than using the most expensive oil.

Edited by Scribbles on Aug 27th 2016 at 07:50 AM
Aug 27th 2016, 07:49 AM   #5
bcj
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  Jan 2016
  teh rock

  K1200RS SV650
Have used T6 on my SV since I got it eight years ago.
It's one of the cheaper, readily available synthetics. SV likes it ok.

Tried T6 in the BMW K1200RS then took off on a road trip in eastern WA.
It was rolling coal like like a lifted truck bro going up the long grades.
Little black snowflake like pieces out the tailpipe.
When I got back, I replaced that with Castrol 10-40 that I had been using before and all went back to normal.
No wet clutch to worry about on the Kbike.
Aug 27th 2016, 08:23 AM   #6
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  Jan 2016
  Small Island Surrounded by Puget Sound

  07 Buell XB12STT, (Two) 12 Suzuki DR650 SE 72BMWR75/5 KIA @ 243K
To answer your question directly I use Red Line 20W50 Motorcycle oil in both Buell's and the DR650 year round. This oil may or may not be as good as any other oil but I use it because they actually list their anti-wear additive package and the quantity of each additive. Where I live and ride 20W50 is within the year round temperature range for all three bikes. I no longer ride when temperatures fall much below 40.

Zinc, Phosphorus and Molybdenum are metallic anti-wear pressure additives. They do an excellent job of protecting the engine and use to be in many motor oils until catalytic converters came along. Engine blow by, (all engines have a little) with these additives slowly kill catalytic converters so they've been removed them from many oils.

If these additives aren't listed in the oil's data sheet then they're probably not there. I've not found another oil that lists all three of these anti-wear additives.

TYPICAL PROPERTIES, Red Line 20W50 Motorcycle Oil

API Service Class SJ/SG/SH JASO MA
SAE Viscosity Grade (Motor Oil) 20W50
Vis @ 100C, cSt 20.1
Vis @ 40C, cSt 141
Viscosity Index 165
CCS Viscosity, Poise, @ C 50@ -15
Pour Point, C -45
Pour Point, F -49
Zinc, avg PPM 2125
Phosphorus, avg PPM 2100
Molybdenum, avg PPM 425
NOACK Evaporation Loss,1hr @ 482F (250C), % 5
% Viscosity Loss, 30 Pass ASTM D6278 0
HTHS Vis, cP @150C, ASTM D4741 6.1
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Aug 27th 2016, 09:55 AM   #7
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon

  2017 Kaw Ninja 1000 ABS (Z1000SX)
You say Rotella 5w-40, then you use Mobil 1 15w-50??


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Aug 27th 2016, 09:58 AM   #8
 
  Jan 2016
  Oregon

  2017 Kaw Ninja 1000 ABS (Z1000SX)
The issue is, no oil will fail. Some may provide more protection than others over the very long term, probably longer than you will have the bike. And possibly cost more than a rebuild!

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Aug 27th 2016, 10:40 AM   #9
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  Jan 2016
  Small Island Surrounded by Puget Sound

  07 Buell XB12STT, (Two) 12 Suzuki DR650 SE 72BMWR75/5 KIA @ 243K
Quote:
Originally Posted by motoman
The issue is, no oil will fail. Some may provide more protection than others over the very long term, probably longer than you will have the bike. And possibly cost more than a rebuild!

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I get RL at Cycle Gear. CG has lots of discount types, (Active Duty, Retired & Disabled Vets, plus others). Even at full price it doesn't break the bank. The Buell's take 3.5 quarts and the DR 2.5.
Aug 28th 2016, 07:41 AM   #10
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  Jan 2016
  West Richland, WA

I found the Valvoline VR1 20/50 racing oil works fantastic in my little piece of Chinese junk.

The oil stays cleaner longer, the cam chain premature wear problem disappeared, and the clutch works very noticeably better.
Aug 29th 2016, 05:56 AM   #11
 
  Jul 2016
  Clackamas

  2017 KLR650
I only use the stuff which is refined off the thighs of 26-year-old virgins.
Aug 29th 2016, 07:09 AM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  welches, Oregon

  08Kawasaki Versys(Sylvester),72Suzuki RV90(vanvan),81Honda TwinStar(Bobber),Yamaha225,Honda Shadow
i only use unicorn blood and orphan tears in my bikes, thats how you get the real mad power out of it
Aug 29th 2016, 08:30 AM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Muklilteo, WA

  Suzuki DL1000, Honda XR650R, KTM 250 XC-W
Mobil 1 15w-50 for over 30 years in all my bikes and no troubles.
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Aug 29th 2016, 09:02 AM   #14
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  May 2016
  Olympia, WA

  1996 Kat 600 "Ras-tana"
I installed a flux capacitor so i just use garbage
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Aug 29th 2016, 03:20 PM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Pullman, WA

  '73 CB350F, '86 VFR750F, '00 Aprilia RS250, '04 Aprilia RSV1000 R Factory(x2), '07 Star 1100 Classic
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribbles
In, before this becomes a complete shit-fest.

I use Rotella T6 in my 20 yo Japanese bike. It has the JASO-MA rating required, and I change it more often than the manufacturer recommends.
This. All of this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyMcNug
I installed a flux capacitor so i just use garbage
Oil, not fuel. Jeez, man...get it together.
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