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Apr 7th 2016, 06:06 PM   #1
 albatrosscafe's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
Question Help! Installing stupid headlight fork-mounted brackets

Note about title: It might be me that is stupid.
I am converting my FZ-07 to have dual headlights. I have the wiring completely done and just need to mount them. But here I believe I might have f***ed myself.

Here is where I am at:
  • I originally bought these brackets but they were too small. Whatever, only $15.
  • Next I bought these in haste. I overpaid for sure. They probably should have been around $30 at the most by the looks of them.

48mm is the right size, but how the f- am I supposed to get them on the forks? They only open on one end, and there is maybe 2mm of give/flex. It looks like the only way to mount them would be to take off the wheel or top triple tree & everything, all fork trim, etc. and slide them over from the one of the ends of the fork? That seems ridiculous. Am I wrong? (please be wrong). That would take me hours. HOURS!

Here is a close up of the mount: http://i.imgur.com/7OjiVmM.jpg
I was going to mount them over the top part of the fork seen here: http://i.imgur.com/WwbTwpZ.jpg

I am really regretting this purchase which I should have looked over more closely.
I thought they would be like these ones where the bracket comes completely apart and I can easily just clamp it down over the fork in <5 minutes.

Can anyone confirm if I am effed or if I am just missing something?

Edited by albatrosscafe on Apr 7th 2016 at 06:29 PM
Apr 7th 2016, 06:37 PM   #2
 
  Jan 2016
  puyallup wa.

  1990 katana 1100
take the top mount off. they slide in from the top.
Apr 7th 2016, 06:42 PM   #3
 SilvieFox's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  welches, Oregon

  08Kawasaki Versys(Sylvester),72Suzuki RV90(vanvan),81Honda TwinStar(Bobber),Yamaha225,Honda Shadow
what kdo said
loosen the triple tree clamps and slid your forks down , you might need to unhook your front caliper and or and cables if they dont have sufficient slack
Apr 7th 2016, 06:43 PM   #4
 
  Jan 2016
  Newcastle, WA

  1995 Suzuki Katana
The ones you bought seem like they would be great for a ground up build. Not so good for a minimalist build though....

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Apr 7th 2016, 06:45 PM   #5
 
  Mar 2016
  Vancouver

If you are going to mount it directly above were the current headlight is, that is where the aftermarket air deflector can go. You could just use those mounts to put it on. May need to rig some hardware for it, but would be faster than taking the triple tree off.

Or, use the last set of mounts you showed, with the double sided attachments.
Apr 7th 2016, 07:32 PM   #6
 albatrosscafe's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
Thanks for the responses. Any guesses for how long it would take to remove the triple tree? Not something I have done before. The dual headlights I bought are "average" quality so this was more of a test build... was hoping not to spend too much time or make changes like this that will be harder to reverse in case I don't like them.

TBH if it looks to be too long of a process I'll probably just shell out a little more cash for some double-sided attachment mounts.
RIP my wallet

That being said, if anyone wants a deal on fork-mounted headlight brackets for a "ground-up" build, let me know...
Apr 7th 2016, 08:10 PM   #7
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  Jan 2016
  Oak Harbor, WA

  Modded Chinese Scooters
Most of the time taking a triple tree off is organizing the wring and cables from my handlebar controls. The only thing that would slow the process of sliding them out is if there is a bump the forks fit through. The type I have, have them. I used a heavy hammer and a chisel to make the opening on the triple tree bigger for the forks to fit through (after removing the bolts of course). Then a socket on top of the fork and hammering it out.

When installing and to line the bolt threads back up I hammered directly on the triple tree with the forks already positioned and touched up and hammer damage with paint.

First time I was still figuring out to do it (tried opening them up more with a prybar to get it off that bump). But once I knew what tools would help out, it took less then a hour for everything to be off and back on and organized.

My process was for removing my stock forks on a scooter and replacing with shorter ones. Of course your setup is a tad different. Your process may be something else then what I had said above.

I had also tried those headlight mounts (the first ones) for a idea. But with no front suspension it was iffy. And not waterproof.
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Apr 7th 2016, 09:13 PM   #8
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
I don't think I need to take the triple tree completely off - just enough to slide those brackets over.

It looks like it is fairly simple to take off. is it just these 3 bolts that I have to unscrew and I should be able to lift it off slightly? (I will have the headlight housing removed first before I do this)

Right side: http://i.imgur.com/kzLbNt7.jpg
Left side: http://i.imgur.com/znRb8zz.jpg
Looking from back left: http://i.imgur.com/DINwotS.jpg

Edit: Now that I look at it I probably also need to remove those 2 big bolts on the top of each fork as well, is that correct?
Apr 7th 2016, 09:23 PM   #9
 
  Mar 2016
  Vancouver

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Originally Posted by albatrosscafe
I don't think I need to take the triple tree completely off - just enough to slide those brackets over.

It looks like it is fairly simple to take off. is it just these 3 bolts that I have to unscrew and I should be able to lift it off slightly? (I will have the headlight housing removed first before I do this) ?
YES

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Originally Posted by albatrosscafe
Right side: http://i.imgur.com/kzLbNt7.jpg
Left side: http://i.imgur.com/znRb8zz.jpg
Looking from back left: http://i.imgur.com/DINwotS.jpg

Edit: Now that I look at it I probably also need to remove those 2 big bolts on the top of each fork as well, is that correct?
NO That is the access point to the fork internals, no need to open it up
Apr 7th 2016, 09:29 PM   #10
 
  Mar 2016
  Vancouver

And, btw, your bike has no pre-load adjustment or rebound damping ability, meaning it's ability to keep your front wheel planted is slightly compromised in the bumpy sections.

Also, no steering damper, so if you get on the gas hard, you may get 'headshake'

both of these deficiencies can be remedied, but may not need to if you don't ride it too aggressively.
Apr 7th 2016, 09:44 PM   #11
 
  Mar 2016
  Vancouver

Also, in case you have not realized, you will need to support the bike somehow, with either a dedicated lift, frame stabilizer or something to keep the triple tree from sliding down the forks when you loosen them.

If you have a rear stand, a block of wood or small lift and a pair of straps, you can connect then to the rear footpegs (or something sturdy and higher than the rear axle)and strap them down to something heavy (weight set, hooks in the garage wall, etc.) this will take weight off the front end, looks like this;
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Edited by Late Braker on Apr 12th 2016 at 10:03 PM
Apr 7th 2016, 09:45 PM   #12
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Late Braker
And, btw, your bike has no pre-load adjustment or rebound damping ability, meaning it's ability to keep your front wheel planted is slightly compromised in the bumpy sections.

Also, no steering damper, so if you get on the gas hard, you may get 'headshake'
Believe me, I am very aware of this bike's suspension. I am around 240lbs with gear so sometimes it feels like it doesn't even have suspension lol. No headshake/tank slappers for me yet luckily on any bike I've owned (FZ-07, Yammy Raider, CBR 600) and I don't track so I should be fine.

Thanks for the help. I'll try those 3 bolts with some tow strap support this weekend.
Apr 7th 2016, 11:08 PM   #13
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  Jan 2016
  Travelling around the NW

  Triumph Bonnezilla, Little Ninja
Take a deep breath. I'm pretty sure you're making this more complicated than it needs to be.

Those ears you bought can be broken down into three parts, let's call them the rings and extenders. The rings appear to be about 1/2" thick. You just need to drop your front forks through the upper clamp and down that far to get them on. Figure 1.5" total you're dropping the front forks through the clamps. Most bikes have plenty of slack on the brake hoses and/or speedo drive to do that without unbolting them, let alone disassembling the whole shebang.

As a couple people have mentioned, you'll need to support the weight of the bike. There's a bunch of ways to do this. The cheater's way is with a buddy. Loosen up the bottom fork clamps completely, and crack the heavy torque on the tops. Have your buddy put their foot on the kickstand, grab the handlebars and pull back so the bike's weight is on KS and rear tire (if you had a center stand, you could just have them sit on the passenger seat). Finish loosening the top clamps, jiggle your fork assembly down, and slip the rings over the top. When you've got them there, have the buddy lower the bike a bit and let gravity help with getting the forks back in the top clamp. Nip up your clamps and finish the job.

I've done this on my Bonnie solo (weighs a bit more than an FZ07). It's sketchy and hard on the back. If you don't have a helper, use the straps or a lift or something to unload the suspension and then just lower the tubes. Appropriate reimbursement for the friend's labor would be 1-2 beers.

Edited by Burphel on Apr 7th 2016 at 11:13 PM
Apr 9th 2016, 07:22 AM   #14
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  Jan 2016
  SeaTac

You do this type of stuff enough and you will realize most of it is not rocket science and is not that complicated. Just go slow, get a manual, take notes and pictures, and you will get through it.
There is a reason people pay mechanics what they do. You are paying for their experience where they don't panic at a job. It comes down to how many hours it will take to do it and that is what they charge. Unless things go wrong. Then it is more. Things almost always go a 'little' wrong at some point...
I am always tempted to let the dealership do a valve adjust if the bike has buckets or shims as they have the selection and I don't. Takes me more than an hour just to drive to the nearest dealer to get parts...
Any mods present some sort of 'issues' but are doable. Best of luck!
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Apr 16th 2016, 09:46 PM   #15
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  Jan 2016
  Issaquah

  2015 Yamaha FZ-07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redkat600
Ten minutes tops to get the triple off.
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the advice. I got the triple tree off in about 5 minutes and was able to slide my fork-mounted headlight brackets over no problem. I was surprised at how easy it was... lol

Here I am taking some of the weight off the front as suggested...


And here is me sliding the clamp over...
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