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May 3rd 2019, 12:54 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2019
  McMinnville, OR

  2004 Suzuki SV650
Call me crazy but...

I went ahead and got the "best" oil I could find. Motul's 300V 10W40 full synthetic with double esters.

It's neon green for chrissakes! Who could not appreciate that, although I didn't know that until it came in the mail.

Someone previously commented that motorcycle oil is a gyp and all you really need is a quality car engine oil. So I did my research and became convinced that this simply was not true due to the rigors that a motorcycle can put an engine oil through.

Well not only is it engine oil, but transmission and clutch oil in my case. Factor in the higher RPM's and the idea of one not using a motorcycle as often as 4-wheeled transportation I figured it was better to be safe than sorry.

I also heard that for using "better" oil you will also get performance gains.

One small problem...I changed my oil and added a slip on exhaust on the same day and thus cannot tell you if I truly did get performance gains from one or the other. DOH!

That being said I DO have noticeable performance gains! The most prominent of which is that when I'm in 6th gear at highway speeds it feels and pulls as if I was in my "old" 5th gear. So whose the culprit? No clue but I'm happy either way. Probably a whopping 1-2 HP in gains no doubt. Next up? K&N air filter and see what it do.

Thoughts?
May 3rd 2019, 01:13 PM   #2
 Flyboymedic's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Hazel Dell, Wa

  Honda VFR800, Husqvarna TE 610, Ducati Hypermotard 1100S, Yamaha Radian, MZ 125SM
It's all in your head. Buy whatever oil you want. I don't believe in a lot of the oil myths out there, nor do I believe in the Ducati myths, Greek myths, Roman myths, Arco gasoline myths, etc. Unless you're a MotoGP rider or top level racer oil, gas, it's not going to improve the performance of your mc or your riding.

And we're off!
May 3rd 2019, 02:17 PM   #3
 
  Mar 2016
  Seattle

  '14 KTM Duke 690, '08 BMW K12GT, '05 BMW R12ST
Depending on how old was your previous oil, new oil may slightly:

Increase ring sealing
Increase valve sealing
Reduce cam train and crank rotating friction
Reduce piston friction
Cool your engine better than old oil.

All means more power, slightly.

Told to me by more than a few pros:

NEVER put automotive oil into a bike. For the aforementioned fact that the moto clutch and tranny rely on this oil.
Further, moto oil will have different combinations and amounts of additives than automotive, including one to reduce higher likelihood of foaming under higher moto rpms. Perhaps an antique-design V-twin can use auto oil, a ZX6-RR . . . not so much.
May 3rd 2019, 04:13 PM   #4
 liberpolly's Avatar
 
  Jan 2016
  Seattle

  Ducati Diavel, Aprilia Scarabeo
Yay, an oil thread!


https://mobiloil.com/en/faq/ask-our-...otorcycle-oils
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May 3rd 2019, 04:45 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2019
  McMinnville, OR

  2004 Suzuki SV650
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Originally Posted by Flyboymedic
It's all in your head. Buy whatever oil you want. I don't believe in a lot of the oil myths out there, nor do I believe in the Ducati myths, Greek myths, Roman myths, Arco gasoline myths, etc. Unless you're a MotoGP rider or top level racer oil, gas, it's not going to improve the performance of your mc or your riding.

And we're off!

Not really due to the scientifical facts!

And you basically just admitted that it does increase performance.
May 3rd 2019, 05:01 PM   #6
 
  Apr 2019
  McMinnville, OR

  2004 Suzuki SV650
Quote:
Originally Posted by FireDave
Depending on how old was your previous oil, new oil may slightly:

Increase ring sealing
Increase valve sealing
Reduce cam train and crank rotating friction
Reduce piston friction
Cool your engine better than old oil.

All means more power, slightly.

Told to me by more than a few pros:

NEVER put automotive oil into a bike. For the aforementioned fact that the moto clutch and tranny rely on this oil.
Further, moto oil will have different combinations and amounts of additives than automotive, including one to reduce higher likelihood of foaming under higher moto rpms. Perhaps an antique-design V-twin can use auto oil, a ZX6-RR . . . not so much.
Well I got the bike at 4420 miles and no clue if the oil was changed and/or what type was put in. I did warm up the bike for 3 minutes prior to the exhaust install and it sounded/felt a bit smoother.

Basically what I gathered...do your bike and your pocket book a favor by buying the proper oil. Sure it can be $22 a liter but if you prevent something more costly from occurring by doing it right then it's well worth the coin.
May 3rd 2019, 06:23 PM   #7
 Sentinel's Avatar
 
  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2013 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 Harlequin
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May 3rd 2019, 07:12 PM   #8
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  Sep 2017
  milwaukie oregon

  gsxr600 gsxr750 gsxr1000 i like gsxrs
I run cheap but approved oil i change it all the time and run filter magnets , ive never had a problem due to poor oiling, the power gain you “feel” is the louder exhaust from the slip on you installed. Gotta love oil threads.
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May 4th 2019, 03:23 PM   #9
 
  May 2016
  Oregon

Motul 7100 is a little better for the street. 300v has less detergents, ph balancers, and has more zinc and phosphorous. Your SV doesn't have a catalytic converter, so the zinc is no big deal. The detergents are nice because they grab onto dirt particles rather than letting them stick to your engine parts. This doesn't matter for a race engine because it is going to get disassembled and cleaned anyways.

300v is great stuff, but 7100 is also great and a better choice for normal street use.
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May 4th 2019, 03:40 PM   #10
 
  Apr 2019
  McMinnville, OR

  2004 Suzuki SV650
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Originally Posted by RatTrap69
Motul 7100 is a little better for the street. 300v has less detergents, ph balancers, and has more zinc and phosphorous. Your SV doesn't have a catalytic converter, so the zinc is no big deal. The detergents are nice because they grab onto dirt particles rather than letting them stick to your engine parts. This doesn't matter for a race engine because it is going to get disassembled and cleaned anyways.

300v is great stuff, but 7100 is also great and a better choice for normal street use.
Copy that, probably will use the 7100 next time then, thanks.
May 4th 2019, 05:46 PM   #11
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2013 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 Harlequin


I use Sea Foam at least once a month in a tank, and i run some through the engine oil before I change it.

I have zero engine wear related issues in my entire history of motorcycling since 2-strokes. I have had one bike with an oil problem, and that was a brand new 1984 Honda XR500 that they gave me with no oil in it. I got on the highway from san diego towards LA and actually made it like 50 miles before it siezed up once and forever.

Everyone I knew used to use Castrol GTX 20-50 in all their motorcycles. We thought it was best. We knew less than nothing.

Now I use Mobil 1 15-50. I think it's best. I know a tiny little bit.

Anything more than that, to me, is just spinning.

But I also know some dudes love that mechanical geekery, and I respect that.

I used to be that way.

I'm trying to be more ZATA-OMM about it now.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...le_Maintenance

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Edited by Sentinel on May 4th 2019 at 05:53 PM
May 4th 2019, 09:13 PM   #12
 
  Apr 2019
  McMinnville, OR

  2004 Suzuki SV650
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentinel


I use Sea Foam at least once a month in a tank, and i run some through the engine oil before I change it.

I have zero engine wear related issues in my entire history of motorcycling since 2-strokes. I have had one bike with an oil problem, and that was a brand new 1984 Honda XR500 that they gave me with no oil in it. I got on the highway from san diego towards LA and actually made it like 50 miles before it siezed up once and forever.

Everyone I knew used to use Castrol GTX 20-50 in all their motorcycles. We thought it was best. We knew less than nothing.

Now I use Mobil 1 15-50. I think it's best. I know a tiny little bit.

Anything more than that, to me, is just spinning.

But I also know some dudes love that mechanical geekery, and I respect that.

I used to be that way.

I'm trying to be more ZATA-OMM about it now.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...le_Maintenance

Well I hope you got your money back..

I do want to geek on this bike because it seems feasible to an extent despite being a low end one and I'm a "geardo" by nature.

I'm against SeaFoam for 4-strokes because this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6pHSn8lLAQ
May 5th 2019, 05:47 AM   #13
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  Jun 2016
  Poor Tortured

  2013 Kawasaki Ninja 1000 Harlequin


i like the project farm dude.
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